They forgot Ranged Physical is a role in the game

[Supersnow845]

As a Bard main, I wouldn't mind 'casts' if it resulted in higher damage outputs or more damage. Nasty feels when Healers are higher on the aggro table because they are doing more damage than I am in full Quetzallis

That’s healing agro

Even if you don’t include any of BRD’s buffs it’s still doing high tank level pDPS and tanks are 20-30% ahead of healers so you are doing something wrong if the healer is truly ahead on damage and not just generating healing agro

[EchoingPulse]

That’s healing agro

Even if you don’t include any of BRD’s buffs it’s still doing high tank level pDPS and tanks are 20-30% ahead of healers so you are doing something wrong if the healer is truly ahead on damage and not just generating healing agro

I didn't know healing could generate agro. Makes me feel a bit better.

[Valence]

Healing generates 1 aggro for 2 damage in ratio or something similar if I remember correctly. Heals over time have been however cut from aggro generation, one of the endless things they removed because players whined about it.

[NightHour]

As a Bard main, I wouldn't mind 'casts' if it resulted in higher damage outputs or more damage. Nasty feels when Healers are higher on the aggro table because they are doing more damage than I am in full Quetzallis

With all due respect - If you're being outdamaged by a HEALER as a Bard then the issue isn't the role, It's you or your play.


No healer comes close to dealing similar damage to Ranged Physical.


You literally need to be AFK to be outdamaged by a healer.


Recent Jeuno I did as a Bard - 22,931 RDPS on the final boss (I'm BiS geared)

Highest Healer = 10,194 (BiS Sage)

That's 55% less damage.

[Rueby]

Holy...no thanks to walking casts. If I want to crabwalk, I'd play a healer/caster and slidecast away.

[Connor]

Holy...no thanks to walking casts. If I want to crabwalk, I'd play a healer/caster and slidecast away.

And If I wanted to run around in circles spamming abilities with absolute impunity I’d play a Summoner.

We can play this game all day lol

[Carighan]

And If I wanted to run around in circles spamming abilities with absolute impunity I’d play a Summoner.

Or Black Mage! Ha! Sorry, had to.

[Rueby]

And If I wanted to run around in circles spamming abilities with absolute impunity I’d play a Summoner.

We can play this game all day lol

Sure? You can play what you want. I'm not sitting here telling you what to play nor am I interested in playing games with you.

[Valence]

And If I wanted to run around in circles spamming abilities with absolute impunity I’d play a Summoner.

We can play this game all day lol

I don't think many people would mind casting songs or the occasional tool tbh. Which would change literally nothing anyway, imagine the outrage when rphys gets buffed to melee levels of damage after the addition of a couple of casts per minute...
Perhaps I misunderstood of course, but it feels to me people balking at the idea think of true hard casts on the filler or half the things... like casters are supposed to be (except SMN for some reason).

[Connor]

I don't think many people would mind casting songs or the occasional tool tbh. Which would change literally nothing anyway, imagine the outrage when rphys gets buffed to melee levels of damage after the addition of a couple of casts per minute...
Perhaps I misunderstood of course, but it feels to me people balking at the idea think of true hard casts on the filler or half the things... like casters are supposed to be (except SMN for some reason).

I mean, I’m not saying a ‘full-timer caster’ phys ranged would do much other than raise questions about the point of the role.

I just feel like it’s much more difficult now than before to say ‘casting/healer is solely the domain of casters/healer’; especially considering we melee that have both casts and heals (SAM/MNK respectively. Reaper I think but idk how theirs works? Downtime usage only?).

Plus I mean, it’s not like there’s ever been an expansion where casting was exclusive to the caster/healer role, since there’s always been things like Bard’s (old) songs in ARR, PLD’s Clemency in HW, whatever that Samurai one is lol, etc.

And, naturally it’s purely personal opinion, but I wouldn’t have an issue with them adding long casts to certain abilities as long as they had a commensurate effect like a raise song or regen song or whatever. To me as long as the general ‘filler’ is instant then they can make whatever casts they want outside of that.

Or alternatively I’d say maybe something like putting ‘walking casts’ on filler but only during Paeon or [New Song], if they wanted a ‘best of both worlds kind of deal’. Or like a Gauss Barrel type tool for Machinist that makes [something] get replaced with a high potency attack with walking casts.* Walking casts can get used outside of PvP for people who like that playstyle, but those who prefer not to could cycle to either another song or cut it at 15s to minimise time spent casting? In theory anyway; naturally it would take some insane balancing to offer as a proper ‘option’.

*as an addendum I’m not sure was mentioned before, personally I left Dancer out since I feel like the ‘steps mini game’ and channelled abilities like Improvisation or that PvP attack (Honing something) already fulfills the same purpose a cast time would anyway. I’d love to see more steps with varied timers and effects or maybe more channeled effects for it like Improvisation. Like maybe a ‘Quick Step’ that only has 1 or 2 button presses on a shorter cool-down than Standard, with its own effect for the dance partner (movement speed maybe?).