They forgot Ranged Physical is a role in the game

[mallleable]

Assuming BRD gets walking casts, I think BRD could be around MNK or NIN levels of damage because it still would be a utility DPS with raid buffs, and I think that should still matter. MCH should absolutely be up there with the likes of SAM, VPR, and BLM -- in theory. DNC should NOT get walking casts, and instead I think they could bring back some melee/close range procs, and rebalance it accordingly.

[Valence]

And people complain about homogenization...

[Supersnow845]

I don’t think range considerations is inherently a bad thing

DNC having melee range procs in ShB I thought was a fantastic design

I don’t think that homogenises it with melee because it’s a totally different consideration

[Grumblecakes]

I enjoy Bard as the main physical ranged I play. I would like a 1 min burst of sorts because its all at the 2 min mark. Machinist needs help. It should not be as weak as it is. It is unfortunate.

Edit: i want an AOE DoT ability for Bard.

[Connor]

I enjoy Bard as the main physical ranged I play. I would like a 1 min burst of sorts because its all at the 2 min mark. Machinist needs help. It should not be as weak as it is. It is unfortunate.

Edit: i want an AOE DoT ability for Bard.

Maybe they could have like an Iron Jaws ‘upgrade proc’ that procs off DoT ticks and spread DoTs to nearby enemies?

Alternatively they could simply add a DoT to Shadowbite. I mean, Caustic Bite and Stormbite are DoTs, so surely Shadowbite should be too lol (hides Ladonsbite).

For Dancer I agree that having the melee procs previously was something I enjoyed. Especially since En Avant is/was so readily available for repositioning. I think having Dancer moving between melee/ranged work to give it a fairly unique identity amongst phys ranged. Naturally, that’s only so long as they don’t go the lazy route and just make everything mid-ranged or something lol.

[Valence]

I don’t think range considerations is inherently a bad thing

DNC having melee range procs in ShB I thought was a fantastic design

I don’t think that homogenises it with melee because it’s a totally different consideration

I was more specifically referring to turning them into casters, since the whole idea is to merge all the ranged in a generic ranged role. Either that, or keeping them like they are today but then I'd question what it would change beyond making them truly useless without the 1% party bonus anymore when competing versus casters that can raise or casters that can match melee damage. All in all, it's homogenization 101, especially by constantly asking for cast times on them.

[Supersnow845]

I definitely disagree with lyths idea of “one ranged role” though I’m not completely opposed to walking casts

I don’t really know what one ranged role adds to anything

[Aravell]

I mostly oppose giving both BRD and MCH walking casts because it reeks of the same enforced parity as what happened in HW, where BRD and MCH has to share a gimmick in the name of "balance".

It also reeks of lack of imagination. You could do a lot more than just settling for walking casts. Some examples include:

> MCH can place an emplacement turret on the field, attacks away from the turret incur a cast while being near the turret let's you instant cast, also has a CD where you can designate an area and any enemy within it can be hit instantly even when away from your turret.

> BRD has multiple utility songs that require a short cast, but aside from that, BRD is fully mobile and follows a random proc priority system, maybe give them some way to force procs so bad luck isn't a huge factor.

In these examples, MCH is more limited in movement without fully giving them cast times and BRD has cast times without it being a core part of their gameplay.

[mallleable]

As an actual BRD main, please gimme them walking casts! PVP-ify me Cap'n! Gimme that bow play! The balance stuff is nice I guess.

[EchoingPulse]

As a Bard main, I wouldn't mind 'casts' if it resulted in higher damage outputs or more damage. Nasty feels when Healers are higher on the aggro table because they are doing more damage than I am in full Quetzallis