Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

[Aceofspades]

I never said that. I meant that having +50 enmity compared to everyone else who has LESS enmity stats than I do SHOULD mean that I have better hate control over them in general, right? However, since raw damage output and curing seem to carry more weight over +enmity gear, this is not the case. What I'm saying is, from my experience, apparently DD's wearing mostly AF gear at LV50 compared to my +enmity gear setup prevent me from holding hate when we're BOTH doing our jobs properly. I can have Flash, Provoke, Rampart, etc. constantly on cooldown through constant use, AND use my +enmity combo moves, and still not be able to keep hate over other DD's who are using their own combos/weaponskills.

So, is it MY fault that I can't keep hate, or is it the DDs' fault? And if it's the DDs' fault, then why should they always have to hold back just so that I can properly play PLD, yet they don't have to do so if I'm on WAR - just because WAR does more damage than PLD? Someone please answer that for me.

I am sorry if I am having a hard time understanding your point of veiw simply because , and if this is a low number plz let me know, with a all blm/thm dd party the avg damage done between all 5 of the blm/thms is roughly 15-20k , I still manage to keep hate well. I think the hardest hitting blm in the group grabs Ifrit early but thats becuase she gets excited and forgets about freeze :P. All that and we get a 7 minute speed run, and I will take roughly 20-22k damage on avg now with devine veil being soo awsome. And I only had +8 enmity. I know hate controll on PLD is ok because it takes my best WAR with DPS gear on over half the fight to steal hate from me. After that he keeps hate ofcourse but that with him trying to steal hate...maybe our play styles are diffrent. not saying your wrong just different.

[SwordCoheir]

I am sorry if I am having a hard time understanding your point of veiw simply because , and if this is a low number plz let me know, with a all blm/thm dd party the avg damage done between all 5 of the blm/thms is roughly 15-20k , I still manage to keep hate well. I think the hardest hitting blm in the group grabs Ifrit early but thats becuase she gets excited and forgets about freeze :P. All that and we get a 7 minute speed run, and I will take roughly 20-22k damage on avg now with devine veil being soo awsome. And I only had +8 enmity. I know hate controll on PLD is ok because it takes my best WAR with DPS gear on over half the fight to steal hate from me. After that he keeps hate ofcourse but that with him trying to steal hate...maybe our play styles are diffrent. not saying your wrong just different.

WOAH WOAH WOAH! I'm starting to see why your not having tanking issues right there! Ifrit has a little over 32.7k HP, if five BLM's are only averaging 15-20K total that means three non DD people are doing about 40% of the work taking him out of course your not gonna have hate issues. A good DD or BLM should be doing around at least 6-8k apiece (accounting for regen and how fast your DPSing) meaning your DD group should be doing at least 24k-28k minimum, roughly leaving the other 4.7k to be taken up by you and the non-DD focused players in your group.

[Aceofspades]

WOAH WOAH WOAH! I'm starting to see why your not having tanking issues right there! Ifrit has a little over 32.7k HP, if five BLM's are only averaging 15-20K total that means three non DD people are doing about 40% of the work taking him out of course your not gonna have hate issues. A good DD or BLM should be doing around at least 6-8k apiece (accounting for regen and how fast your DPSing) meaning your DD group should be doing at least 24k-28k minimum, roughly leaving the other 4.7k to be taken up by you and the non-DD focused players in your group.

being that as it may, weither or not my blm/thms are doing the awsome damage your dps is doing, we still manage 7 minute kills and i still keep hate well while parsing under 23k damage taken everytime.

wait a second... 37k hp, hmm soo even if we gave ifrit 50k hp, regen included 20k avg is ample to kill him in a speedy way. how is 3 non dps doing 40% of the work? ... OH lols i had to re read the post like 3 times, hard to take text into the right context. NO avg damage EACH is 20k thats one scorring low 20s 1-2 scorring high teens and one (usually a new blm/thm we are trying to get trained up) scoring realy low like 7-8k ish. I as PLD score crap for damage like 500 or soo, and the whms do debuffs and kinda sit around with their thumbs up their asses till Hell fire time or noobs get cought in cracks lol.

[Aceofspades]

lol ok, your right, I dont know how to tank on PLD.... Realy? I mean you question PLDs survivablity over WAR's and you say the I dont know how to tank on PLD? if your getting your ass handed to you on PLD and I clearly am not, then obviously it is not I who dosent know how to tank on PLD my friend.

[Gramul]

lol OK, your right, I don't know how to tank on PLD.... Really? I mean you question PLDs survivability over WAR's and you say the I don't know how to tank on PLD? If your getting your ass handed to you on PLD and I clearly am not, then obviously it is not I who doesn't know how to tank on PLD my friend.

Teach me how.

[Aceofspades]

Teach me how.

Gramul, if you were at all serious, I would be more then happy to tell you how I tank on PLD but , since people like to troll people who do not belive PLD is broken and can actually do extrordinarly well on PLD, I can only assume your not serious. If I am wrong , plz let me know. Im not an elitest soo I have no problem in helping someone who honestly wants it.

[Aion]

lol ok, your right, I dont know how to tank on PLD.... Realy? I mean you question PLDs survivablity over WAR's and you say the I dont know how to tank on PLD? if your getting your ass handed to you on PLD and I clearly am not, then obviously it is not I who dosent know how to tank on PLD my friend.

you said PLD survivability is unmatched, and I disagree with that, WAR just tank fine, they got high HP, second wind and bloodbath... seriously, what PLD def gonna do on Ifrit fight? you already know almost all Ifrit attacks is elemental based right?

ok let me ask you, how many WHM did you bring when you tank as PLD in ifrit?

[Aceofspades]

you said PLD survivability is unmatched, and I disagree with that, WAR just tank fine, they got high HP, second wind and bloodbath... seriously, what PLD def gonna do on Ifrit fight? you already know almost all Ifrit attacks is elemental based right?

ok let me ask you, how many WHM did you bring when you tank as PLD in ifrit?

.... Realy? do you even parse your fights? top DPS on any boss fight , to include Ifrit is ALWAYS normal or physical damage.... as far as how many whm. depends on the healer. if I have a good healer who know how not to die , one, otherwise 2, max

[Aion]

.... Realy? do you even parse your fights? top DPS on any boss fight , to include Ifrit is ALWAYS normal or physical damage.... as far as how many whm. depends on the healer. if I have a good healer who know how not to die , one, otherwise 2, max

Im confused, who is the top DPS? you as PLD?

[Daniel_Fury]

.... Realy? do you even parse your fights? top DPS on any boss fight , to include Ifrit is ALWAYS normal or physical damage.... as far as how many whm. depends on the healer. if I have a good healer who know how not to die , one, otherwise 2, max

One WHM is the better IMO. I find 2 WHM's spamming cures, waste their heals due to bad timing.

With one, I heal myself alot more and I find it generates huge hate in short time.

Run low on MP? Cover your WHM every 1 minute. Always stack Outmaneuver with Divine Veil as often as possible.

Two WHM? better be a melee setup. One WHM Focus PLD, PLD focus heals/Rampart to melee. Second WHM AoE Regen melee and stoneskin on dash. Divine Veil is huge with the ablity to stack.

Even in that setup, 2 WHM's feel like too much.