Do you think that Picto needs a nerf?

[remiff]

I really think that developers have this flaw of never wanting to nerf a job, even when it’s completely overtuned.
Instead, they prefer to buff other jobs—but they often do it poorly.

The Pictomancer and its kit are simply overpowered, and this is no secret, not even to the devs.
The problem is that the Pictomancer renders both the BLM and Summoner obsolete in FRU.

The Pictomancer’s DPS exceeds the Summoner’s by over 3k, which is simply colossal given the kit it has. The BLM, despite the changes, is still not in a good place.

The Red Mage isn’t that great either, but it’s much better than the Summoner in terms of DPS, has good mobility, and can double rez, making it very useful in fights like FRU.
However, the Pictomancer completely outclasses all the casters.

The caster balance is just a mess, probably one of the worst states it’s been in since FF14’s release.
I know the game has gone through other crises where caster balance was poor or the Summoner was broken in all content.

However, the Pictomancer isn’t doing too badly in terms of being a giga unbalanced job.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

I really think that developers have this flaw of never wanting to nerf a job, even when it’s completely overtuned.
Instead, they prefer to buff other jobs—but they often do it poorly.

The Pictomancer and its kit are simply overpowered, and this is no secret, not even to the devs.
The problem is that the Pictomancer renders both the BLM and Summoner obsolete in FRU.

The Pictomancer’s DPS exceeds the Summoner’s by over 3k, which is simply colossal given the kit it has. The BLM, despite the changes, is still not in a good place.

The Red Mage isn’t that great either, but it’s much better than the Summoner in terms of DPS, has good mobility, and can double rez, making it very useful in fights like FRU.
However, the Pictomancer completely outclasses all the casters.

The caster balance is just a mess, probably one of the worst states it’s been in since FF14’s release.
I know the game has gone through other crises where caster balance was poor or the Summoner was broken in all content.

However, the Pictomancer isn’t doing too badly in terms of being a giga unbalanced job.

I agree PCT need some nerfs but honestly smn belongs at the bottom of casters. In fact it shouldn't even be a caster anymore and be moved to phy range bc how easy it is and little casting it actually does. SMN rework ruin that job and it deserves to be at rock bottom till the devs realize they f up and make it into a caster again.

[Rithy255]

I agree PCT need some nerfs but honestly smn belongs at the bottom of casters. In fact it shouldn't even be a caster anymore and be moved to phy range bc how easy it is and little casting it actually does. SMN rework ruin that job and it deserves to be at rock bottom till the devs realize they f up and make it into a caster again.

Yeah this might be a hot take but I think summoner in endwalker was genuinely over tuned with how it was designed to be a physical ranged with like two casts, while also being over red mage in terms of damage, I would rather RDM be better then current summoner just because I really don't agree with how the job is designed. We saw it even having high play rates which reflects with how much easier it was to bring over BLM/RDM for the majority of the expansion with little downside (until BLM got actual buffs, even then it was still strong) I don't honestly want see high summoner play rates until that job is actually designed better.

Though I do think it's 100% just a issue with how its designed currently, although with how much Mage jobs have been getting recently I wont be surprised if they head towards Magic Dps practically not having cast times in the future which is scary to think about, It's the opposite issue of turning physical ranged into mages, It lessens the way jobs play/function at a core level, which honestly seems to be a goal of the balance team as if jobs are very samey numbers are very easy to tune, hence why Pictomancer is standing out now because we don't really have anything comparable with how much of a advantage it gets in downtime.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Yeah this might be a hot take but I think summoner in endwalker was genuinely over tuned with how it was designed to be a physical ranged with like two casts, while also being over red mage in terms of damage, I would rather RDM be better then current summoner just because I really don't agree with how the job is designed. We saw it even having high play rates which reflects with how much easier it was to bring over BLM/RDM for the majority of the expansion with little downside (until BLM got actual buffs, even then it was still strong) I don't honestly want see high summoner play rates until that job is actually designed better.

Though I do think it's 100% just a issue with how its designed currently, although with how much Mage jobs have been getting recently I wont be surprised if they head towards Magic Dps practically not having cast times in the future which is scary to think about, It's the opposite issue of turning physical ranged into mages, It lessens the way jobs play/function at a core level, which honestly seems to be a goal of the balance team as if jobs are very samey numbers are very easy to tune, hence why Pictomancer is standing out now because we don't really have anything comparable with how much of a advantage it gets in downtime.

Yeah I agree with your take about smn in EW. I admit I used to defend smn somewhat in EW in its placement but the more I play it and see what they did to it this expac...yeah, I think this job deserves to be the lowest dps in the game. The job is by far the easiest job since the rotation is the same 3 or 4 buttons over and over, it is barely a caster, and it kit if filled with useless utility like phox heal that only happens 1/2 the time now solar baha is in and even sola baha heal is meh bc you can only hold on to it for a short time. The only thing it has useful for team utility is its rez but honestly rdm is better at rezzing IMO.

That said I have my own hot take that is little off topic. I think its really silly viper is a selfish dps and will always have high dps while it also really easy to play...I don't know about anyone else but I get as bored playing viper as I get when Im playing smn. The job semi-plays itself since all you doing is following the dotted lines. Im not saying viper needs a nerf, Im saying they really need to add more to it to give it more complexity.

[Lyth]

I agree PCT need some nerfs but honestly smn belongs at the bottom of casters.

Let's be real - PCT is just SMN without raise. That's where the Endwalker SMN numbers went to - they're all playing PCT now. I think if you brought PCT down to the level of SMN, where it belongs, players would very quickly become passionate about SMN again. Not out of any particular loyalty, but because you're targeting the same set of people who are looking for the maximum value for the minimum effort.

[Supersnow845]

Let's be real - PCT is just SMN without raise. That's where the Endwalker SMN numbers went to - they're all playing PCT now. I think if you brought PCT down to the level of SMN, where it belongs, players would very quickly become passionate about SMN again. Not out of any particular loyalty, but because you're targeting the same set of people who are looking for the maximum value for the minimum effort.

Yeah let’s give the caster that doesn’t have a raise the same damage as the caster that has a raise I’m sure that balance decision is gonna go down well

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Let's be real - PCT is just SMN without raise. That's where the Endwalker SMN numbers went to - they're all playing PCT now. I think if you brought PCT down to the level of SMN, where it belongs, players would very quickly become passionate about SMN again. Not out of any particular loyalty, but because you're targeting the same set of people who are looking for the maximum value for the minimum effort.

Wtf are you talking about? PCT is nothing like smn... PCT is a caster unlike smn who is just a phy range in a caster role. Sure PCT has movement but it's nowhere near SMN levels of movement where 90% of their GCDs are instant. In fact, most former smn mains are playing PCT bc yoshi p decided to ruin smn with its 6.0 rework and create a baby job where you can just turn off your brain and still do good since your rotation requires no thinking whatsoever. PCT does not belong with smn, in fact, smn belongs even lower. SMN should be at the bottom of all dps bc how easy it is, the amount of unility it has(even tho most of that is useless), and the fact it doesn't cast whatsoever.