Do you think that Picto needs a nerf?

[Altera]

Cant wait to see Chaotic 24 man raid and how dominant PCT will be there as well xD

[NightHour]

Cant wait to see Chaotic 24 man raid and how dominant PCT will be there as well xD

Ninja and Scholar are dominant at the moment because Dokumori and Chain Stratagem applies alliance wide for some reason.

That's why you see insane RDPS numbers where Ninja's are getting 5k+ RDPS from Dokumori.


Looking at the logs for Chaotic - The top 268 players who've parsed for that fight are Ninja.

The first non Ninja is a Viper at rank 269.

[Supersnow845]

Ninja and Scholar are dominant at the moment because Dokumori and Chain Stratagem applies alliance wide for some reason.

That's why you see insane RDPS numbers where Ninja's are getting 5k+ RDPS from Dokumori.


Looking at the logs for Chaotic - The top 268 players who've parsed for that fight are Ninja.

The first non Ninja is a Viper at rank 269.

It’s because they are debuffs

Apparently the system doesn’t like trying to make a party applied debuff only apply to the party that applied it, it would also be a mess with mitigation in an alliance raid

SCH is the real menace here. SCH in CAR is approaching the most overpowered a job can intrinsic be if compared to all its role. SCH is a monster

[Lyth]

It's a good point. If PCT wasn't single-handedly dominating all the jobs despite being the objectively slowest job in the game, where would those players go? They'd be skill gated out of the game entirely. And here I thought that WAR was supposed to be the 'sieve job' to catch players on the bottom end.

But this balance issue on FRU is something that people anticipated from the first days of expansion launch, and is a byproduct of not needing to work for uptime. The dev team knew about as well, but didn't action it (outside of imposing a LB penalty such that you couldn't run double PCT.) So now here we are. You'll either see anger mount to the point where they start losing players from other jobs (complete with apology and backpedaling), or you'll see a kneejerk overcorrection on 7.2 that doesn't actually address the burst issue.

Either way, I'll be curious to see what happens.

[Oizen]

I like PCT and its one of my favorite DPS jobs in the game at the moment.
Please nerf it lol

[Tigore]

It's not even just Ultimates where PCT is strong for me. I have been paired with one as a VPR for the Alexandria dungeon and we ripped the final boss apart just before they could finish the cast to do that intermission heal check.

When I take a closer look at the kit, PCT is currently described to have nearly BLM DPS with most of SMN's equivalent utilities added in (minus the Raise). I can understand wanting PCT to do more damage than current SMN, but we may need to take a look at the raid buff number from Starry Muse to decide that. SMN also has the 5% raid DPS buff as well as the Raise. It may be a topic for SMN as well since I would imagine the players for that class wanting to do more damage than RDM with a smaller raid buff.

From what I gather from the other posts, more are saying the burst DPS is a little high and wants the potency weights shifted a little more to the standard filler combo. When looking at the presented graph on the first post, VPR kind of has a steady DPS profile with no downtime skill and the other melee with high cooldown damage seem to be catching up to them. It stands to reason that shifting the cooldown potencies could help a little. Although not by much since we do want the classes to have their quirks and identities. More also said that reducing the 5% Starry Muse buff to 3% sounds acceptable as long as PCT has around at least middle of the pack personal DPS from the inevitable nerfs needed. In this case for the current Ultimate, a little higher than middle of the pack since the mechs are confirmed to favor the class. We will probably need to ensure some other fights have less downtime to give the steady DPS profile classes something they can slightly shine with too.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

This is a better representation of a current Picto, by the way:



Black Mage and Summoner found dead in a ditch, my lord. And dont even look at machinist, LMAO.

[Altera]

This is a better representation of a current Picto, by the way:



Black Mage and Summoner found dead in a ditch, my lord. And dont even look at machinist, LMAO.

That graph is just pretty disgusting to look at, but pretty much PCT towers at the top in all parts Rdps, Adps, Ndps and Cdps for FRU

That the devs has not made any annoucements about this is pretty astounding. Are the devs even watching what is going on in the game anymore? PCT is just outpacing anyone else so much its getting to the point everyone should just go on a strike so PCT can play content on their own xD No healers, not tanks, no other DPS jobs. Just 4, 8 or 24 x PCT. I bet they wouldnt even need any other jobs to get things done haha

I remember when I played WOW, and I went Unholy DK at launch of WotLK, and I quickly saw my Recount numbers put me way ahead of others, and Blizzard used a sledgehammer and nerfed it so much I was told go Blood DK or another class or we have to bench you from our Heroic 25man raid team. Hence that time I have always hated Overpowered classes as I know they have to turn down their damage otherwise it just causes mechanics to break, or other classes just getting abandoned. The whole but every Job can clear. Yes that they can, but players will majority of the time, gravitate to anything that favors The Path of Least Resistance.

[Astraturnal]

This is a better representation of a current Picto, by the way:



Black Mage and Summoner found dead in a ditch, my lord. And dont even look at machinist, LMAO.

Job balance seems out of whack this expansion. No way to justify picto having mobility, very high damage, support, and relative ease to play optimally. In theory it makes sense to have the highest burst damage given the need to have to prepare your abilities first, but not much else. I suppose the logic of the developers was that slow painting justifies massive damage in a vaccum, but in actual play, especially in dungeons, the damage they can frontload is a little disproportionate.

[Aco505]

This is a better representation of a current Picto, by the way:



Black Mage and Summoner found dead in a ditch, my lord. And dont even look at machinist, LMAO.

The amount of current clears is not truly representative of what all jobs can or cannot do.

We will know better after some months pass and many more players get their clears. This doesn't mean that the current sentiment on PCT's strength is misguided, however. It's been known and predicted for some time now considering its power in every piece of content.

But yes, even without enough clears, there's a trend on which job(s) help pass the DPS checks of the phases more easily.