They forgot Ranged Physical is a role in the game

[Aravell]

So the idea is to give PVE BRD, and MCH walking casts like they do currently in PVP. Every skill wouldn't become a walking cast, only the filler.

I have to ask here, why force BRD and MCH to have the same system again? A lot of the issues the physical ranged role faced in HW was precisely because they changed BRD to match MCH.

I'd rather see every job within the role diversified instead. MCH can have a walkcast filler and maybe some tools too, BRD can remain the speed demon APM proc spam job, DNC can remain the slow and chill 1 (proc 2) combo 3 (proc 4) job.

I think that would satisfy more of the people who play the role rather than forcing BRD and MCH into the same peg again and making the same mistake as HW design did (I personally enjoyed bowmage, but I still see the massive mistake of forcing parity between BRD and MCH rather than allowing them to grow separately).

[mallleable]

I have to ask here, why force BRD and MCH to have the same system again? A lot of the issues the physical ranged role faced in HW was precisely because they changed BRD to match MCH.

I'd rather see every job within the role diversified instead. MCH can have a walkcast filler and maybe some tools too, BRD can remain the speed demon APM proc spam job, DNC can remain the slow and chill 1 (proc 2) combo 3 (proc 4) job.

I think that would satisfy more of the people who play the role rather than forcing BRD and MCH into the same peg again and making the same mistake as HW design did (I personally enjoyed bowmage, but I still see the massive mistake of forcing parity between BRD and MCH rather than allowing them to grow separately).

My ideal bow mechanic for BRD would one where you press, and hold down a button with a UI element that fills up depending on how long you have held down the button, and then it deals damage upon releasing the button, and the attack's power is dependent on how much meter you built up from holding down the button. Think like how Hanzo's bow works from Overwatch or like how the Sniper's Huntsman unlock works from Team Fortress 2. However, I think such a system would run into a ton of problems like GCD clipping, and accidental 'tap fires' because the server or your ISP had a hiccup. FFXIV is just not equipped for such granularity. Walking cast basically automates such a mechanic, and in my mind feel like they were made for PVP BRD first, then given to MCH, but they also happen to work on both jobs. And I fully admit that PVP BRD gave me a taste for blood on my favorite job, and now I want that power in PVE. lol

[Valence]

Walking casts were introduced in Endwalker during the 6.1 PVP rework, and only appeared on the PVP versions of BRD, and MCH. The tooltip states "Requires casting time to execute. However, it is possible to walk while casting." They follow similar rules to regular casts, but in practice they play differently. So the idea is to give PVE BRD, and MCH walking casts like they do currently in PVP. Every skill wouldn't become a walking cast, only the filler. I never got to play phys ranged in Heavensward, but I imagine that walking cast phys ranged made today would play very differently than full cast phys ranged back then.

It would play the same. Same cast times, same weave window. Whether one is harder to cancel than the other is relatively irrelevant.

The only reason it worked on MCH somewhat but not BRD was because of ammo, which is now gone from the game.

The already kinda do. But if giving phys ranged 'aiming' mechanics that happen to resemble casting mechanics strengthens the mechanical identity as well as being able to increase their fire power for phys ranged then I think the pros outweigh the cons. Walking cast BRD would play totally differently from PCT, and walking cast MCH would play totally different from BLM.

Like BLM plays differently from RDM or PCT? I'm not sure that argument holds that much water seen from the other persoective..

My ideal bow mechanic for BRD would one where you press, and hold down a button with a UI element that fills up depending on how long you have held down the button, and then it deals damage upon releasing the button, and the attack's power is dependent on how much meter you built up from holding down the button. Think like how Hanzo's bow works from Overwatch or like how the Sniper's Huntsman unlock works from Team Fortress 2. However, I think such a system would run into a ton of problems like GCD clipping, and accidental 'tap fires' because the server or your ISP had a hiccup. FFXIV is just not equipped for such granularity. Walking cast basically automates such a mechanic, and in my mind feel like they were made for PVP BRD first, then given to MCH, but they also happen to work on both jobs. And I fully admit that PVP BRD gave me a taste for blood on my favorite job, and now I want that power in PVE. lol

Personally I'm not sure I started playing XIV because it shared a model with FPS games or overwatch... But with more traditional RPGs.

[Carighan]

Personally I'm not sure I started playing XIV because it shared a model with FPS games or overwatch... But with more traditional RPGs.

Yeah, agreed.

I want my jobs to feel different because of different base approaches to their ability usage, whereas right now ~everyone is based on a static rotation (even the seemingly-proc-based Red Mage and seemingly-priority-based Dancer follow 95%+ rigid rotations with marginal changes), but beyond that I want it to be "just" an MMORPG first and foremost. Not something wild that makes socialization impossible as I have to step away from the computer and pick up my keytar-controller to play Bard.

[mallleable]

I have to step away from the computer and pick up my keytar-controller to play Bard.

BRD is a musician job, I don't see why this is a problem!

[BabyYoda]

BRD is a musician job, I don't see why this is a problem!

If BRD is musician and DNC is a dancer then we need a singer job so we can have a band!

[mallleable]

If BRD is musician and DNC is a dancer then we need a singer job so we can have a band!

A singer themed job could actually be really good -- especially if they make it a healer. BRD can be this music, and archery themed DPS, and for those who don't actually want to be playing a DPS, they can have singer as a music themed support.