complaint post about current dungeons

[Mawlzy]

I don't know about sophisticated. But SE obviously thinks it is a way to make it more "exciting" or "challenging".
I do agree that all games should have an easy mode and a hard mode, because some people don't play them for challenge but rather simply to pass the time or as an interactive novel/film.

However, in this game specifically the dungeons are really not that difficult even if you can't do the mechanics. You can play a tank and stand in attacks, using mits or invuln. I remember a player the other day had 8 vulns in a dungeon and survived, showing other players can carry you through. If those vulns eventually kill you, they will probably just resurrect you.

But it's still often the case that people who are struggling just don't understand the mechanics or the game itself, so it's worth people considering that before determining it's a disability.

While age can result in issues building up over time, it's not necessarily or strictly the case for everyone. Yoshi-P is 51 years old and has streamed himself clearing savage. The creator of Final Fantasy is 61 and has cleared ultimates.

I agree with most of what you say, and initially jumped in to this thread to endorse Valence's point that DT MSQ dungeon design tends to rely heavily on very rapid AoEs. A slowing of reaction times certainly varies between people, but as a general trend it's a neurological inevitably.

When people claim that "when you reach Level X in this game it's reasonable to expect you can do Y," that's true in the abstract. But simply requiring more rapid reaction times every expansion means that more and more people will hit their skill cap. Apparently there are players who feel that rather than having a discussion about this, the preferable solution is to wave them bye bye. I guess we're not wanted because older people are "inconsiderate and entitled." Just ask any worker!

FWIW I cleared all the DT MSQ dungeons using Duty Support precisely because I dislike being carried and slowing down others. There are players even older than me in my FC who are unable to do so, and it is the required rapidity of movement in such dungeons that they cite as the problem.

[Moqi]

Oh dear, the victimism lol.

Apparently there are players who feel that rather than having a discussion about this

Discussion? You'll accuse anyone asking not to make already easy content even easier of lacking empathy.

I guess we're not wanted because older people are "inconsiderate and entitled.

You're not wanted because you can't clear the content, by your own admission. I'd never join a clear savage PF when I can't do the mechanics. Does that not sound reasonable?

Everyone's more than welcome to use PF or ask their FC/friends for. But whenever that gets suggested (you can comb through other similar threads) it's crickets... even though it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion that is guaranteed to work. There are plenty of people willing to help.

[Mawlzy]

Oh dear, the victimism lol.



Discussion? You'll accuse anyone asking not to make already easy content even easier of lacking empathy.



You're not wanted because you can't clear the content, by your own admission. I'd never join a clear savage PF when I can't do the mechanics. Does that not sound reasonable?

Everyone's more than welcome to use PF or ask their FC/friends for. But whenever that gets suggested (you can comb through other similar threads) it's crickets... even though it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion that is guaranteed to work. There are plenty of people willing to help.

As I noted, I have cleared all the DT MSQ content using Duty Support.

The idea that those who cannot currently clear the MSQ content are "unwanted" does not exhibit a great deal of empathy. And I don't recall ever seeing a MSQ dungeon in PF outside of minimum ilevel attempts or farming rewards.

Would it really be such a burden on you if, for example, Duty Support included an option to be rezzed by NPCs? That's the kind of discussion I think is helpful here. Not making bizarre accusations that there's a correlation between a person's age and how entitled and inconsiderate they are.

[Moqi]

As I noted, I have cleared all the DT MSQ content using Duty Support.

The idea that those who cannot currently clear the MSQ content are "unwanted" does not exhibit a great deal of empathy. And I don't recall ever seeing a MSQ dungeon in PF outside of minimum ilevel attempts or farming rewards.

Would it really be such a burden on you if, for example, Duty Support included an option to be rezzed by NPCs? That's the kind of discussion I think is helpful here. Not making bizarre accusations that there's a correlation between a person's age and how entitled and inconsiderate they are.

Just what are you talking about now lol.

I was not talking about you specifically. You're the one who wrote we. That includes other people. Why you started talking for other people I don't know, but those were your words.

The idea that those who cannot currently clear the MSQ content are "unwanted" does not exhibit a great deal of empathy.

Do you just not understand sentences? If you can't clear content, don't go into places that expect you to be able to clear content. That does not mean everywhere...Anyone is very welcome to make a thread in PF. But the answer to "why is going into DF expecting a carry not entitled" is always dodged lol.

And I don't recall ever seeing a MSQ dungeon in PF outside of minimum ilevel attempts or farming rewards.

Maybe because the number of people who actually need that is incredibly small and this is non-issue? Or maybe because it's a one and done, so it doesn't get asked often anyway? Or maybe it's because they fill up incredibly quick? And why does it matter anyway how frequently you see those threads pop up? That is of no importance.

Would it really be such a burden on you if, for example, Duty Support included an option to be rezzed by NPCs? That's the kind of discussion I think is helpful here.

Why would it? But it's also not at all what OP is asking so... what? That is not at all what the "conversation" was about.

Not making bizarre accusations that there's a correlation between a person's age and how entitled and inconsiderate they are.

You started this whole thing by saying old people playing arcade games and racing cars (???) just step aside when they realize they're too old to keep up and I simply pointed out that they don't ask for everything to be changed unlike in this game. Do you remember that? OP didn't even mention their age.

You sound very confused (and keep deraling) and I'm just repeating myself at this point so... no point in banging my head against the wall. I've said all I needed to say.