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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Oh, that's a shame. I thought for once we had a serious thread on the forums for reasonable requests, not for clown requests.

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    Ok ok... I'll change mine then to some random bs too

    Um...

    Throw away the entire engine and remake the game in Unreal 5 hehexd

    Whether or not you think it's a clown request, people agree with it. Sorry that you don't and feel the need to disparage it for whatever reason.

    Is it a big request? Yes. Did the OP specifically ask for tiny polish changes and bug fixes? No.

    People have been asking for jobs to be redone for a while now. I personally despise the path they're leading healers down, think tanks are so homogenized they may as well be skim, 1%, 2%, and whole milk, and honestly believe that DPS balance is so laughable that not much would be impacted if half of them were removed from the game completely.

    Something needs to change.
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    Last edited by NegativeS; 10-30-2024 at 05:02 AM.


    My outline for a Chemist healer: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/513527-Healer-Concept-Draft-Chemist

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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    Whether or not you think it's a clown request
    Oh, please. You're smart, so don't treat me like I'm dumb.
    Requesting for every single job to be burned to the ground isn't realistic or worth discussing, and you know it because like I said: You're smart.

    Even if you were to get 300 upvotes in the Forums, that's not a true sample size.
    You said "Something needs to change." and I agree with that, but your "request" is nonsensical and worthless.

    You could have asked for a rework of specific elements repeated throughout certain jobs, or for a new distribution of abilities throughout the 1 - 100 level process, or add Support abilities that make each job distinct.

    Instead you make an unrealistic clown request that you know is ridiculous and then expect to be taken seriously.

    If you want to be taken seriously, make a serious request.
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    Last edited by DiaDeem; 10-30-2024 at 08:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Oh, please. You're smart, so don't treat me like I'm dumb.
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    You first?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    You said "Something needs to change." and I agree with that, but your "request" is nonsensical and worthless.

    You could have asked for a rework of specific elements repeated throughout certain jobs, or for a new distribution of abilities throughout the 1 - 100 level process, or add Support abilities that make each job distinct.

    Instead you make an unrealistic clown request that you know is ridiculous and then expect to be taken seriously.

    If you want to be taken seriously, make a serious request.
    I want the jobs to be remade with a different design philosophy. That was my request.

    Like I said, the 2 minute meta doesn't work, to the point where they're forcing abilities to have nonsensical combos just to reinforce their 'you can only do cool things every 120 seconds' concept. This philosophy is throwing up artificial walls around their design, which they are very clearly brushing up against with their DT abilities. They need to be dismantled.

    Like I said, jobs are too homogenized. All tanks essentially play the same, new healer abilities are literally carbon copies of each other, every job within a role has the same defining mechanics. World of Warcraft is somehow able to maintain and balance 39 different classes (13 classes with an avg of 3 different specializations that play differently enough that they might as well be separate) with completely different styles of play and an order of magnitude more customizability, and FFXIV somehow can't do it with 21 entirely static jobs.

    Like I said, most content in this game is only fun if the jobs are fun. You'd think that something as fundamental as the buttons you press to do literally anything would be high up on their 'don't screw this up' list, but apparently not.

    I don't care how they do it. I don't care who they fire and who they hire. I don't care what they tweak or add or remove along the way. They can delete three DPS of their choice from the game as far as I care. But if jobs come out the other side fun, different, and not artificially dumbed down like they are now, then my request is fulfilled.

    I'm not going to write a 5 page dissertation on something that takes one sentence to express, especially when the OP asked for brevity.
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    Last edited by NegativeS; 10-30-2024 at 10:05 AM.


    My outline for a Chemist healer: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/513527-Healer-Concept-Draft-Chemist

  4. 10-30-2024 12:52 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    I don't care how they do it. I don't care who they fire and who they hire. I don't care what they tweak or add or remove along the way. They can delete three DPS of their choice from the game as far as I care. But if jobs come out the other side fun, different, and not artificially dumbed down like they are now, then my request is fulfilled.
    Much better. That's not the scorched Earth approach you came up with the first time.

    All you had to post was: Add Complexity and Diversity in Gameplay to the Jobs

    Instead of... BURN IT ALL, START FROM SCRATCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Oh, please. You're smart, so don't treat me like I'm dumb.
    Requesting for every single job to be burned to the ground isn't realistic or worth discussing, and you know it because like I said: You're smart.

    Even if you were to get 300 upvotes in the Forums, that's not a true sample size.
    You said "Something needs to change." and I agree with that, but your "request" is nonsensical and worthless.

    You could have asked for a rework of specific elements repeated throughout certain jobs, or for a new distribution of abilities throughout the 1 - 100 level process, or add Support abilities that make each job distinct.

    Instead you make an unrealistic clown request that you know is ridiculous and then expect to be taken seriously.

    If you want to be taken seriously, make a serious request.
    They did burn all jobs down to the ground and reworked them entirely with the whole battle system for pvp in less than one expansion.

    But asking for the same for pve is somehow a clown request, got it.
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  7. 10-31-2024 04:43 AM