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    You cannot make everyone happy, but Square does try. That is why FFXIV is in the state that it is lmao
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    Last edited by TomsYoungerBro; 10-07-2024 at 11:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    You cannot make everyone happy, but Square tries does try. That is why FFXIV is in the state that it is lmao
    no what they have done is push it to extreme measures by one screaming group or 2 screaming not trying to make everyone happy lol, making everyone happy means ignoring the extreme and give each a nd individual space within a reasonable method
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    Square just spends too long half assing particular content and not responding fast enough to anything relative to the size of the game

    Take Bozja for example. Bozja is THE MOST interacted with side content in the game bar none, we have the stats to back this up. Yet some people who didn’t like Bozja complained heavily. Fair enough. How did square respond to this, by dumping Bozja entirely and giving a half baked piece of content that had a quarter of the interaction of Bozja, didn’t pivot on its design for the entire expansion then dumped it to bring Bozja back 4 years after they dumped the original Bozja

    How does this game not have the money to provide people who complained about Bozja in 5.35 something to do by 5.55 rather than wait till 6.1 then realise that more people liked Bozja than didn’t, not pivot on flailing IS by 6.3 and wait for Bozja again till 7.2

    Their turn around time is atrocious, they can’t pivot when something goes wrong or is less popular than projected which dooms the entire expansion (IS being the core non MSQ content is a large contributor to why people hate EW) and they can never seem to do more than one thing at a time despite having conflicting groups who want different things. Resources aren’t endless but are you really going to tell me that IS took all the dev budget from 6.x. Variant and EO are copy pasted from their old iterations so where is this budget going to
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angeldust View Post
    making everyone happy means ignoring the extreme and give each a nd individual space within a reasonable method
    You havent suggested a single thing yet that would make me happy. And your above idea is guaranteed to fail. Anyone you ignore on a topic they care about will eventually end up unhappy. Doesnt matter if their position is extreme or not.
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    Usually how attempts to cater to everyone end up going for pretty much every company out there is that first they get the interest of some people, then thinking those people will stay no matter what they start shifting over to cater to other groups that had no interest to begin with and over the course of doing that alienate the original fans.

    And most of the time, the new group still doesn't get interested and so it becomes a failing product.


    Also for Bozja, I think the biggest thing holding it back is that I'm pretty sure you can't solo Lacus Litore.
    Unless it retains an active playerbase, that's going to be the bottleneck that stops new people from doing Bozja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    You cannot make everyone happy, but Square does try. That is why FFXIV is in the state that it is lmao
    I disagree. I don't think they're trying to make everyone happy.

    The problem is they keep changing who they're trying to make happy. The more they change their target demographic, the more likely the previously happy players end up dissatisfied. Fortunately for SE, a lot of the unhappy players are caught up in the sunk cost fallacy web so stay subscribed even when they're no longer having fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizze View Post
    You havent suggested a single thing yet that would make me happy. And your above idea is guaranteed to fail. Anyone you ignore on a topic they care about will eventually end up unhappy. Doesnt matter if their position is extreme or not.
    do you not know how to read or something ive legit suggest ways with jobs housing and other things in this entire post.. learn how to read before commenting on a forum or playing anything ...
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  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I disagree. I don't think they're trying to make everyone happy.

    The problem is they keep changing who they're trying to make happy. The more they change their target demographic, the more likely the previously happy players end up dissatisfied. Fortunately for SE, a lot of the unhappy players are caught up in the sunk cost fallacy web so stay subscribed even when they're no longer having fun.
    I disagree completely. This game has a little bit for everyone. Yes, at times they cater to certain groups more than others. However, they always create a little bit of content for each type of player. This either spreads content to thin, or certain pieces of content take into account too many types of players, leaving most unsatisfied in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    Also for Bozja, I think the biggest thing holding it back is that I'm pretty sure you can't solo Lacus Litore.
    Unless it retains an active playerbase, that's going to be the bottleneck that stops new people from doing Bozja.
    Yeah, that's definitely going to be an issue the further away from Bozja they get. I know that instance somewhat scales depending on how many are in it, but the "easy" solution would be to allow it to drastically scale so that if the minimum of, let's say, a light party entered, they could actually complete that content. I think it's a little too much to make it totally soloable, but reducing it to a 4-man and treat it like an extended dungeon if no one else in the zone opts into it is a fair result.
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    "Well, it's no Vana'diel, but it'll have to do..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angeldust View Post
    okay so the solution to that is,

    add chest that randomy drop from mops that give hidden rewards, items to craft with hidden recipes etc to random monsters in the world, chest drops after kill and people have to solve riddle like in ff11 (other online one) stupid fun that they can cry and complain about failing at -solved so complainers will be happy.
    Completely random drops and/or random drop rate? No thank you. Terrible drop rate for items is one of the reasons I quit FFXI. And what you're describing about random loot sounds a lot like FFXIV's initial attempts at Diadem, which ultimately didn't pan out because people didn't WANT the unpredictability of rewards.
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    "Well, it's no Vana'diel, but it'll have to do..."


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