thing that need work on ToS

[CVXIV]

Do you mean punishing the use of mods or those words specifically? Because Mare is just shorthand for Mare Lamentorum, a place in the game, or at least that's why I assume it's used since it has plausible deniability, and wi-fi is very generic and can't be pinpointed to be about that topic specifically

If it's about the usage of them then aren't those already punished? It's just difficult for SE to track unless people discuss about using them openly

[Wolfsbane706]

Do you mean punishing the use of mods or those words specifically? Because Mare is just shorthand for Mare Lamentorum, a place in the game, or at least that's why I assume it's used since it has plausible deniability, and wi-fi is very generic and can't be pinpointed to be about that topic specifically

If it's about the usage of them then aren't those already punished? It's just difficult for SE to track unless people discuss about using them openly

"Mare" is also shorthand for a visibility mod named "Mare Synchronos"

[Rolder50]

"Mare" is also shorthand for a visibility mod named "Mare Synchronos"

Sure, but are they gonna ban people for using a word that could plausibly be used for an actual place in the game? I doubt it.

If they did, users would just find a new word. Like I see people use "Moon Dust" sometimes, or just "Moon"

[Alyko]

Sure, but are they gonna ban people for using a word that could plausibly be used for an actual place in the game? I doubt it.

If they did, users would just find a new word. Like I see people use "Moon Dust" sometimes, or just "Moon"

Having "Mare Lamentorium" or similar by itself or with little context in a search comment practically screams "I use mods".

[TaleraRistain]

Having "Mare Lamentorium" or similar by itself or with little context in a search comment practically screams "I use mods".

But the thing is, it's not any sort of verifiable proof to a GM that anyone is using a third party program. If you say "Don't let people use this term in their search" then that doesn't make any sense because it's a valid place name in the game. Whatever the alternate meaning may be in the community, the GMs need something concrete to act on. Because it is a valid place in XIV so there is the chance someone could be using it for another reason.

The only way they would know it was mods was if they checked what was on our PCs and Yoshi-P has already said they are against putting in anything like that. Hence the, "don't ask, don't tell" viewpoint they have about third party tools.

[Canadane]

The only way they would know it was mods was if they checked what was on our PCs and Yoshi-P has already said they are against putting in anything like that. Hence the, "don't ask, don't tell" viewpoint they have about third party tools.

I would change that.
Check the PCs.

[TaleraRistain]

I would change that.
Check the PCs.

They're not going to do that. They would have to put very invasive things on our PCs and they refuse to do that. There's nothing wrong with the current process. If someone doesn't want to use mods, don't use them. I don't mod my character. I like how she looks. And when they see the community is using certain useful mods, that tells them about things they may need to look at as QoL improvements. One of these is chat bubbles. We found in a recent interview that chat bubbles are something they are working on, and it's a common mod that players use.

[All_Nonsense]

I would change that.
Check the PCs.

I am NOT giving Square Enix root level access to my machine to play FF14

[lolnotacat]

The only way they would know it was mods was if they checked what was on our PCs and Yoshi-P has already said they are against putting in anything like that. Hence the, "don't ask, don't tell" viewpoint they have about third party tools.

That's one of the things I agree with Yoshi-P on. I think they just need to be more draconian with players who are clearly modding. Cheat engine users sitting everywhere, streamers using UAV, etc...

Most mods don't bother me. IMO If people wanna coom, whatever. And some mods are definitely QoL improvements for Square's garbage spaghetti code which should've been fixed ages ago (no clippy). I just miss the early Shadowbringers days when everyone was very quiet about using mods.

[DonutSteel]

"Mare" is also shorthand for a visibility mod named "Mare Synchronos"

That was his point though.