FFXIV Dawntrail reviews are out on Metacritic

[gllt]

Actually I just think your average person is really emotionally sensitive and defensive of things they like because of consumer culture so they're prone to playing defense for large corporations because an attack on the thing they like is perceived as a direct attack on themselves

Among us among us

I think caring about reviews scores is dumb though like thinking the stock market or horoscopes are real

[Swordsman]

Score update: Steam score dropped and Metacritic User Score dropped. Added link to new /r/ffxivdiscussion thread: "Dawntrail has reached "Mostly Negative" reviews on Steam."

[Swordsman]

Score update: Metacritic User Score dropped by 1 point, Steam reviews in last 30 days rose by 1 point. I wonder if Metacritic user score will dip below 6.0.

[Striker44]

Score update: Metacritic User Score dropped by 1 point, Steam reviews in last 30 days rose by 1 point. I wonder if Metacritic user score will dip below 6.0.

And to go along with that update - the player population numbers show nobody really cares about those scores or reviews, as DT is maintaining practically the exact same retention % as every other expansion, coupled with one of the highest active playerbase numbers (topped only by the release month of DT itself and that brief "WoW Exodus" spike a few years back).

[Tunda]

Score update: Metacritic User Score dropped by 1 point, Steam reviews in last 30 days rose by 1 point. I wonder if Metacritic user score will dip below 6.0.

but why????

the game is good no? we got another finisher for summoner.. things can't be this bad

[lolnotacat]

Because peoples don't stop playing MMORPG on a whim (for most).

This. I recommend people look up a term called the "trust thermocline". It's not a perfect analogy (though there never is), but it's a pretty accurate representation of what happens, particularly in gaming. At a previous game company I worked at, it played out like that exactly. The development management teams kept pushing the players further and further until they finally snapped and left in droves. Players are sticky and won't leave on a whim, particularly if there are other things keeping them around. I for one am sticking around because I have a house and I'm waiting to see what happens with 7.1. Others will stay out of sunk cost, because they have friends still playing, or they have far higher tolerances. But at some point a company will hit a point where their customers lose faith in them and they will go elsewhere en masse.

[KageTokage]

This. I recommend people look up a term called the "trust thermocline". It's not a perfect analogy (though there never is), but it's a pretty accurate representation of what happens, particularly in gaming. At a previous game company I worked at, it played out like that exactly. The development management teams kept pushing the players further and further until they finally snapped and left in droves. Players are sticky and won't leave on a whim, particularly if there are other things keeping them around. I for one am sticking around because I have a house and I'm waiting to see what happens with 7.1. Others will stay out of sunk cost, because they have friends still playing, or they have far higher tolerances. But at some point a company will hit a point where their customers lose faith in them and they will go elsewhere en masse.

WoW was a prime example of this because people started complaining about system/grind bloat as far as back as in MoP, but it only really came to a head with Shadowlands where they finally got grouchy enough/started quitting to an extent that the devs couldn't ignore it anymore.

XIV still seems rather early on in that process and the complaints are more about general boredom due to lack of content and innovation, so it's kind of having the opposite issue. "Just play other games" really isn't the kind of mentality any subscription/live service model should be trying to encourage when it comes to finanicial success, though...

[WaxSw]

I wonder how close we are to the point of no return in that trust thermocline since there are already some warning signs.
DT seems to be the lowest rated XIV product since 1.0, the job reception so far is mixed to negative, the promises haven't been met so far, msq is divisive at best, and negativity towards the game is more common than it has been in the last years

[Eyrilona]

I wonder how close we are to the point of no return in that trust thermocline since there are already some warning signs.
DT seems to be the lowest rated XIV product since 1.0, the job reception so far is mixed to negative, the promises haven't been met so far, msq is divisive at best, contand negativity towards the game is more common than it has been in the last years

Probably not so far that they can't swing it around if they start releasing quality again, because people have short memories, but damage has been done to the core of the sense of identity of both the player character and those nearest them, so it will not be easy to make us "like" characters (including our own) again after seeing them behave in ways that made them look really bad.

[Supersnow845]

And to go along with that update - the player population numbers show nobody really cares about those scores or reviews, as DT is maintaining practically the exact same retention % as every other expansion, coupled with one of the highest active playerbase numbers (topped only by the release month of DT itself and that brief "WoW Exodus" spike a few years back).

Genuine question striker

What do you achieve out of what you do on the forums? No matter what the topic is or where the traditional “hardcore” vs “casual” stands on a particular topic if you send a reply it ALWAYS amounts to some form of “game is fine any sort of feedback is the minority, it’s pointless to complain”

Like are you just really strongly attached to 14 and don’t like the thought of it going downhill, I can understand that sentiment because I used to feel it in RuneScape many years ago or is it something else

There is zero positive or even neutral way to spin aggregate reviews being this poor when the vast majority of reviews are neither 10’s nor 1’s. It’s not getting review bombed people are just reviewing it mildly negatively. MMO players are sticky but there is only so much they will tolerate. Would you prefer they attempt to fix the problems now or wait till large swarms of people hit the proverbial tipping point and we have our own WOW exodus

Shielding the developers from critisim on their behalf just doesn’t benefit anyone, I’m not sure what you get out of this