How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[Supersnow845]

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Do you not see the irony in your comment, I took offence to the suggestion while literally every comment you have ever posted on this thread is “every healers goal in this game is to grief DRK’s and they should be ignored”. Every comment is you just randomly insulting healers for literally zero reason but then you act offended when people call you out for it. I stand by my original comment, if you are so allergic to interaction with the other party members maybe you just aren’t as good of a tank as you think you are because I never have a problem on DRK even when I can’t get LD to proc. You yourself said that “tank invulns should only be used in emergencies” (which is wrong btw), why are you letting it get to an emergency state. Between my mitigation, liberal use of TBN and efficient use of shadow wall and abyssal drain it never gets to “emergency” even with a cure 1 spammer

I’m not even going to acknowledge your “it’s not the person who bought up the dramas fault it’s your fault for responding to the drama” because that just shows your inherent bias to the other person considering that’s objectively their fault

I’m not putting up an alternate solution to “male raw intuition a role CD” because it’s such an asinine idea that it doesn’t warrant acknowledgment. DRK isn’t the problem, DRK’s sustain is perfectly fine and is well balanced, with the addition of shadow wall upgrade it has just the right amount of agency over its own health. Making raw intuition a role CD is the worse thing you could do to the tank role. WAR style tanking is boring AF, I want to be in danger, I want to rely on my healer, I want to use all my CD’s not turn my brain off an use an auto clicker on BW every 25 seconds. DRK’s tanking style is well designed and tests your knowledge of their kit. If you want an alternate solution mine is

“Nerf WAR/PLD/GNB healing and give every tank a semi interesting tanking experience like DRK”

This has nothing to do with my opinion on tank sustain as a healer, this is me playing WAR and DRK and going “WAR tanking is boring AF because I’m literally never in danger if I know where my BW key is”, I want to actually be challenged as a tank

[AnjouMaaka]

Plays WHM in dungeon, sees DRK, celebrates.

Healers: Our heals aren't needed, give us something to heal

Also healers: Can't pass a simple heal check like Harrowing Hell or Brutal Impact. Can't heal dark knights in dungeons unless it's to grief Living Dead.

[Supersnow845]

Healers: Our heals aren't needed, give us something to heal

Also healers: Can't pass a simple heal check like Harrowing Hell or Brutal Impact. Can't heal dark knights in dungeons unless it's to grief Living Dead.

You know harrowing hell is a mitigation check right

If I could get the SAM to ever press feint this may not be so much of a problem.

Sure some healers struggled but you cannot underestimate how much the DPS don’t understand how valuable their mitigation is

[AnjouMaaka]

Do you not see the irony in your comment, I took offence to the suggestion while literally every comment you have ever posted on this thread is “every healers goal in this game is to grief DRK’s and they should be ignored”.

Admits he's offended and then proceeds to create a non-cohesive paragraph of pure gibberish that's no where close to being based in reality. Classic drama queen

[Supersnow845]

Admits he's offended and then proceeds to create a non-cohesive paragraph of pure gibberish that's no where close to being based in reality. Classic drama queen

You mean I quoted you saying I was offended, I don’t care what that other person says about me

Regardless I’d love if you’d actually attempt to refute my points, though that’s apparently a tall ask considering you have not refuted a single point in this entire 20 pages, if you wanted a page for yes men to tell you your solution is flawless you are in the wrong place. Maybe try mainsub on reddit

And then he thinks Harrow Hell is a mit check. LOL

The more I read from you the more I am utterly convinced you are just a really really bad tank that rather than admit they could do better just asks square to buff out any possibility of showing off your lack of skill

I’ll let you figure out why harrowing hell is a mit check

[AnjouMaaka]

You know harrowing hell is a mitigation check right

If I could get the SAM to ever press feint this may not be so much of a problem.

Sure some healers struggled but you cannot underestimate how much the DPS don’t understand how valuable their mitigation is

And then he thinks Harrow Hell is a mit check. LOL

[AnjouMaaka]

You mean I quoted you saying I was offended, I don’t care what that other person says about me

Regardless I’d love if you’d actually attempt to refute my points, though that’s apparently a tall ask considering you have not refuted a single point in this entire 20 pages, if you wanted a page for yes men to tell you your solution is flawless you are in the wrong place. Maybe try mainsub on reddit



The more I read from you the more I am utterly convinced you are just a really really bad tank that rather than admit they could do better just asks square to buff out any possibility of showing off your lack of skill

I’ll let you figure out why harrowing hell is a mit check

I don't need to refute someone who doesn't live in reality. You've refuted yourself.

[Supersnow845]

I don't need to refute someone who doesn't live in reality. You've refuted yourself.

Okay productive conversation, you’ve convinced nobody on the validity of your solution as me being someone who enjoys the current design of DRK is exactly who you should be trying to convince and I’ve wasted 10 of my daily posts

I’m so glad we had this conversation, let’s meet for tea sometime

[AnjouMaaka]

Okay productive conversation

Here's your productive convo:

You have to be absolutely insane to think dark knight is enjoyable in dungeons right now. That's a you problem. Either you are having your buddy who actually heals you no matter how you play the job always join you for dungeons, or you never pull wall to wall when you tank. If you don't pull wall to wall, you are griefing your dps. If you can't survive the wall to wall pull, either you are failing at mitigation, or your healer is failing at healing, with evidence suggesting it to be the latter on this. I do more than just this baby easy mode content where death should always be considered unacceptable because of how baby easy mode it is. Attacking my skill level shows how shallow you are as a person and how ignorant you are of the facts. That's not my responsibility. Square Enix is responsible for policing their game. They have failed at this job by continuing to allow healers to get away with this stuff for far too long. I shouldn't be forced to play warrior in order to satisfy this responsibility of Square Enix. They should address the problem across all tanks. Instead, dark knight has been in this state of allowing the healers a tank to grief in dungeons for 3 expansions. That's what we are trying to address here. The ideal fix is Raw Intuition becoming a tank role ability. If you don't agree with that, it's fine, disagree with it and move on. The goal is to get support for this. Where that support comes from is irrelevant. It's a legitimate suggestion and one that doesn't require developing a new skill for dark knight. I haven't seen you actually suggest anything as a counter suggestion. All I've seen is you trying to go out of your way to refute something you don't agree with because it offends you. Making it personal was your mistake, and makes everything you've said here complete gibberish because you've been unable to set aside your feelings in order to look at this objectively. At this point, I don't think anyone here is going to take you seriously because of how much you've pretty much gone out of your way to refute yourself. I don't need to refute you. I don't need to convince you either. There are plenty who have come here with far more intelligence on the subject matter than you have shown and actually made some of their own suggestions. I'm not here to convince anyone who enjoys the currently suffering design of dark knights in dungeons. I'm sorry, but always ending up in the grave during wall to wall pulls because of the healer is not fun, and should be addressed as a major problem with dark knight's design. I've already stated the damage rotation for the job is perfectly fine. The problem that exists as the core of the topic here is that dark knight has no self sustain. Failing to see that is a you problem.

[Supersnow845]

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Again you need to stop presenting your opinions as hard fact that square need to fix

“You have to be insane to think DRK is fun in dungeons”

THAT. IS. YOUR. OPINON. I don’t not agree with it, like I said I actually enjoy there being a semblance of danger in dungeons. You don’t have to agree with that but until you understand that your opinion on this subject isn’t just universal fact you are never going to get anywhere. Like I said in my opinion (read opinion) danger generated from interaction between the roles where no one role is totally self sufficient. Read again I DONT WANT TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT AS A TANK, please read that, and read that again, and read it a third time, that is not me being wrong that is an opinion that you disagree with that you need to acknowledge is just as valid of an opinion as your own. Healers being reduced to irrelevancy with raw intuition as you suggest because you don’t like the fact that you can be put in danger by a bad healer is YOUR OPINION and one I simply do not agree with

Your entire premise that I’m an idiot who is constantly refuting himself is entirely built on your belief that you are arguing from a position of pure fact and not your own opinion so I’m obviously an idiot for arguing against facts when in reality I simply do not agree with your opinion and I strongly disagree with your proposed solution as I do not and nor do others I have talked to have this universal problem where literally every healer you have ever gotten seems like they are out to get you

You need to acknowledge that “solutions” don’t always amount to “I agree with your point but Id change id slightly while achieving the same thing”, in an objective persons eyes my solution to nerf WAR/PLD/GNB is just as valid as your solution

I’m happy to argue with people but this absolute utter belief you are arguing for pure fact and everyone agrees with you isn’t going to get you anywhere as you should have noticed because I’m not remotely close to the only person who has argued with you on this point. I didn’t even come into this thread till like page 16, prior to that there is 160 posts from other people who mostly also have problems with the way you are attempting to phrase this

Finally I will apologise to you for attacking your skill and I’ll apologise to CKnovel for our mutual argument, it was petty of me and I should know better, I won’t attack anyone from here on out