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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyQueen View Post
    I main healer in most MMORPGs that I play, what you are spewing is bull. Healing is simple in most fucking games, wanna know the differences between FF14 and other MMOS with healers? 2 things. In most mmos healers get 1 MAYBE 2 buffs they can cast (outside of shields and regens)
    The fact that in this game things like procs, proper caster placement, mana management are not a meaningful thing paired with the slow GCD already is a difference, on top of that a lot of MMO healers have heals with different effects other "heal for X" or that at least have interactions in their kit while XIV lacks of that, being most of the interesting tools a time gated resource not tied to the player performance. That is without mentioning once again the homogenization they would have to undo, other mmos dont have a Sage/Scholar situation where they are almost the same job (and funnily enough, the difference is playstyle is because a dps tool, ED).

    and 2 Most that have healers, healers get to heal in 60+% of general instance content! In endgame content like high end raiding that goes way up.
    Then you should know how a rework that transforms the current XIV into that is not feasible in less than several years and how the healer gameplay is not just about how much hps you can dump, but how efficient you are to provide the most value to your party, be in the form of heals, buffs, CC or damage. You should know too how as you grow in skill you make more meaningful choices when healing that leave you with more time to interact with tools that are not healing and why those are really important and XIV fails on that front.
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    Last edited by WaxSw; 09-12-2024 at 05:47 AM.

  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubmarineAlt View Post
    And don't come at me with "Normal content should have more healing!" We already have people complaining that they can't get through MSQ quest content by themselves. Square isn't going to up requirements because the VAST majority of this playerbase will not be able to meet them.
    Which is why we also want healers' damaging rotations to be more engaging. Look at tanks. They get their own (somewhat) unique rotations that are more than 1-2-3 the whole time. Not as deep or complex as a melee DPS rotation, but still enough to be fun. That's why you don't hear about how boring tanking is, or how we need more mitigation checks, tank busters, or mandatory swaps in normal content.

    There are essentially two different factions of healer critics. The ones who want a more varied way to damage, and the ones who want to do more healing. Personally, I'm in the former camp. To require more healing in all content would be a balancing nightmare, leave less room for mistakes, and would only effect new content, none of the already existing level 1-100 stuff.
    But giving healers two or three more buttons to press, and slightly changing the ones we've already got could be done in a single patch, and would almost immediately solve the issue. And if it doesn't, they could/should just keep white mage exactly as it is for the players who genuinely like the simple one button spam.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Everyone on this board has a their own fix for the healer problem.
    Almost like players aren't designers, and it's ultimately up to square to take our word for it that there's an issue, and take our many suggestions into account when determining the best fix.
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  4. #44
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    If healers want more DPS then I want more heals on my DPS. Actually. Something like counter attack would be really neat. Samurai used to have something close to it, but an auto parry or counter auto attack when attacked directly.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensui View Post
    If healers want more DPS then I want more heals on my DPS. Actually. Something like counter attack would be really neat. Samurai used to have something close to it, but an auto parry or counter auto attack when attacked directly.
    You say this as though that hasn't been happening over the expansions. Second Wind just got buffed this expansion, MNK got Earth's Reply and had it retroactively added at 62 so it's available for every Ultimate now. SMN got a Chunky Heal on Lunar Bahamut while keeping the Regen and Excog from Phoenix. PCT has a heal on Star Prism for some reason. I expect BRD and RDM to get Heals added to Nature's Minne and Magick Barrier at some point. That just leaves VPR, DRG, NIN, MCH and BLM to get heals really since SAM got Tengetsu last expansion.
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  6. #46
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    Leaning into the second thing I said. Adding a counter attack.

    Tank shirks DPS > DPS uses counter attack during (counter attack also removes positionals) > healer keeps DPS alive until buff wears > tank gets some DPS buff while tank stance is off > tank vokes it back.

    Also would be fun for solo content. Win for everyone and more engagement for healer.
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  7. #47
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    In every mmo including shooters like OW , healer players always complains about everything and how unhappy and miserable they are.

    In my case I'm mostly playing SGE at level 100 content and isn't that bad I mean FFXIV have been reusing the same formula and battle design since HS but more simplified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    In every mmo including shooters like OW , healer players always complains about everything and how unhappy and miserable they are.

    In my case I'm mostly playing SGE at level 100 content and isn't that bad I mean FFXIV have been reusing the same formula and battle design since HS but more simplified.
    We are complaining because modern healer design doesn’t remotely resemble HW
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Everyone on this board has a their own fix for the healer problem.
    Thats cause there is no all in one fix, some group will have issues no matter whats is changed. As it stands a majority of JP is happy with current healer while western players still find them on the boring side; more support, more dps, more heals, too dull, too complex, too many buttons...
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  10. #50
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    Don't healers have as many heal buttons as a DPS has DPS and as many damage buttons (if not way more) as DPS has defense and self sustain?

    What are we asking for exactly? When I heal (I main DPS) I play SGE and am fully engaged when running a dungeon or other content. Also play on controller so I always have to bounce from my back bar (double tab or R1) to my main bar. It feels pretty busy. It would suck to have to do a DPS combo and manage healing.
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