How to fix the healer problem.

[Raven2014]

We pay a sub for this shit and deserve quality control.

So do I, and I don't have the same problem as you do. What make your sub money more valuable than mine?

Worste case the devs make healers into black mages, who cares,?

Well, I'm guessing you obviously won't. But I very much do. 'Cause there is already a BLM, if I want to play a BLM I do that, why would I want to play a BLM on a healer?

[Supersnow845]

Right now the only roulette in need of healers is the Alliance raid, and all the others are looking for tanks.

Maybe the players want to play without responsibility, and for this reason they play dps, possibly the simplest ones.

My guess eh.

AIN is a pointless measure as it biases tanks by design because tanks were the rarest role when it was introduced

If you have 100 parties that have 2 DPS and 99 of those parties have a tank while none have a healer so the roulette is looking for 1 tank and 100 healers AIN will say TANK is AIN because there is any level of deficit of tanks

Healers can only be AIN explicitly when tanks are NOT AIN

It’s also why when it’s the dead on night and nobody is queueing AIN defaults to tank, because the roulettes are looking for everyone but it’ll check tanks first

[WaxSw]

It's funny, this argument. You pay for a sub, you complain that there's nothing to heal, there's no class identity, and whatever. And, just like OP, neither of you engage in the content where healing matters or is required.

Normal raids don't have any real healing outside of specific checks, Kardia alone can sustain tanks through normal content. Extremes have spike damage that you can oGCD through with proper resource management (not that you do them, either). And let's not talk about the trivially easy content that is dungeons.

You pay for the sub, but ignore the content that gives the role all that "actual healing" you all complain about so much. You're not getting what you're paying for because you actively don't do the content that requires planned GCD and oGCD healing, mitigations, and resource management. Funny how that is, huh? You're both pissed that you actively avoid the content that scratches that itch.

And don't come at me with "Normal content should have more healing!" We already have people complaining that they can't get through MSQ quest content by themselves. Square isn't going to up requirements because the VAST majority of this playerbase will not be able to meet them.

It's almost as if a role should be designed to have gameplay loops that work on all the content and not a subsection of content that is not even 10% of the total content of the game.

Content that also do not demand the full extent of the healing kit by virtue of how we are seeing 0 healer clears as early as week 2 and the hps demands of a competent party are below what a single healer can offer.

I do agree that people who want heal more should try harder content but lets not act as of the healer role glaring problems arent present even there

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's funny, this argument. You pay for a sub, you complain that there's nothing to heal, there's no class identity, and whatever. And, just like OP, neither of you engage in the content where healing matters or is required.

Normal raids don't have any real healing outside of specific checks, Kardia alone can sustain tanks through normal content. Extremes have spike damage that you can oGCD through with proper resource management (not that you do them, either). And let's not talk about the trivially easy content that is dungeons.

You pay for the sub, but ignore the content that gives the role all that "actual healing" you all complain about so much. You're not getting what you're paying for because you actively don't do the content that requires planned GCD and oGCD healing, mitigations, and resource management. Funny how that is, huh? You're both pissed that you actively avoid the content that scratches that itch.

And don't come at me with "Normal content should have more healing!" We already have people complaining that they can't get through MSQ quest content by themselves. Square isn't going to up requirements because the VAST majority of this playerbase will not be able to meet them.

That’s a lot of words just to say “Go play Ultimate” lmao.

[Inputnamehere]

Healers are supposed to heal and provide support, not squeeze as many Glares or Broils as possible in their actions.
-Reduce team mits, especially tanks, yeah
-Remove healer attacks completely. If you want damage, give them more abilities that buff other people
-Bosses will now do random, unpredictable attacks of different types against random players, that require the healers to react. Not reacting fast enough=punishment
But as someone said, these won't be happening unless they do some revolutionary changes about the encounters first.

[Connor]

But as someone said, these won't be happening unless they do some revolutionary changes about the encounters first.

I’ve said this a few times, but maybe it’s about time they did make ‘revolutionary changes’ to encounter / the battle system in general. Because what they’re going with now is almost entirely stagnant; they’ve practically already hit a dead on what they can do with job/encounter design.

Will it be more work for them? Of course. But, nothing worth doing is ever easy lol

[Doragan]

-Remove healer attacks completely. If you want damage, give them more abilities that buff other people

There's no way that could work in the context of this game. You still need to do a base amount of damage to complete MSQ, PoTD and Variant dungeons, overworld content etc etc.
On top of that, there's also the issue of having the entirety of a role depending on rDPS and having your own personal contribution entirely dependent on somebody else. If they die or something goes wrong with them, you are completely unable to contribute -- robbing you entirely of your player agency. Even past and current buffing jobs weren't as punishing.
I think the rock bottom the devteam is willing to go through will be shadowbringers healer kits. Anything below, and you run at risk of having healers not being able to clear past content, and realistically, I don't think they will properly remake the past 10 years worth of content to fit that design philosophy. They had the opportunity to do so too while redoing ARR and most of the past dungeons encounters, but that is clearly not happening.
Not to mention them removing protect entirely in Shadowbringers.

-Bosses will now do random, unpredictable attacks of different types against random players, that require the healers to react. Not reacting fast enough=punishment

We kinda used to have that with aa crits, but I think that stopped being a thing in Stormblood? Kind of a shame, but even then, we had cds to circumvent that entirely.

[IDontPetLalas]

Healers are supposed to heal and provide support, not squeeze as many Glares or Broils as possible in their actions.
-Reduce team mits, especially tanks, yeah
-Remove healer attacks completely. If you want damage, give them more abilities that buff other people
-Bosses will now do random, unpredictable attacks of different types against random players, that require the healers to react. Not reacting fast enough=punishment
But as someone said, these won't be happening unless they do some revolutionary changes about the encounters first.

Well, thanks, I needed a good laugh. That was kind of you.

[BunnyQueen]

Right now the only roulette in need of healers is the Alliance raid, and all the others are looking for tanks.

Maybe the players want to play without responsibility, and for this reason they play dps, possibly the simplest ones.

My guess eh.

AiN works by looking to see if any groups need tanks if there are 100 parties open, 1 needs 1 tank, 0 need dps, and 100 need healers it will still say needing tanks. It is a broken system. It checks tanks, healers, then dps rather then checking all and seeing what is needed most.

Healer fix = DPS-Kit for healer. They dont want to change their design, so dps it is. Simple. Everything in this game is designed around dance like fights and dps. There is no space for "more healing" or "healing mechanics". I would like to have that but the design is what it is and without change only the DPS-kit is possible.

Eww no.

[Banriikku]

AiN works by looking to see if any groups need tanks if there are 100 parties open, 1 needs 1 tank, 0 need dps, and 100 need healers it will still say needing tanks. It is a broken system. It checks tanks, healers, then dps rather then checking all and seeing what is needed most.



Eww no.

Understandable.... sadly as long SE does not change the encounter design this is our fate: DPS-kit for healer. You can like it or not but the whole game i build around that. Which means forget encounter changes altogether. So we will get nothing and the situation will worsen or a dps-kit.