How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[AnjouMaaka]

This is it, this is the most unhinged take on the forums I’ve ever seen

Shut it down guys, we are never surpassing whatever this is

Yes, let's all take seriously, the one that brought outside drama into a discussion that has nothing to do with said drama. Take your drama buddy with you and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Supersnow845]

Yes, let's all take seriously, the one that brought outside drama into a discussion that has nothing to do with said drama. Take your drama buddy with you and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You mean where I refuted your idea then the other person randomly bought in drama. Yeah that’s totally my fault

[CKNovel]

You mean where I refuted your idea then the other person randomly bought in drama. Yeah that’s totally my fault

You're the one who attack with "It’s amazing how allergic tanks are to working with others"
I made a joke and you immediatly replied with "Yes we all know you cling to OP WAR like a blanket Get some new material please"

You're doing personal attacks after personal attack then act as the victim when getting called out.
You shifted the discussion to WHM gameplay, on the tank role, in a DRK topic. On top of being wrong, WHM's Holy II is their filler, it's not "the only thing that they can press" or "what they are going to be using immediately upon grouping up enemies".
You tell me I don't read tooltip but apparently you haven't read Presence of Mind or Afflatus Misery. What's next? "butbutbut they're 120s and afflatus requires to spend 3 lilies"? I don't care this is a tank forum.

Move on, go back to your healer strike, I don't come to healer forums telling how healers should play or that they should move on and accept their state.

[Supersnow845]

You're the one who attack with "It’s amazing how allergic tanks are to working with others"
I made a joke and you immediatly replied with "Yes we all know you cling to OP WAR like a blanket Get some new material please"

You're doing personal attacks after personal attack then act as the victim when getting called out.
You shifted the discussion to WHM gameplay, on the tank role, in a DRK topic. On top of being wrong, WHM's Holy II is their filler, it's not "the only thing that they can press" or "what they are going to be using immediately upon grouping up enemies".
You tell me I don't read tooltip but apparently you haven't read Presence of Mind or Afflatus Misery. What's next? "butbutbut they're 120s and afflatus requires to spend 3 lilies"? I don't care this is a tank forum.

Move on, go back to your healer strike, I don't come to healer forums telling how healers should play or that they should move on and accept their state.

Yes and the “it’s amazing how allergic tanks are to corporation” had absolutely nothing to do with you, it was a response to OP who’s spent 17 pages saying that healers only exist in this game to grief DRK’s and that any possible buff that could be made to shove healers out of the way of playing the game is automatically justified. If you wanna rant at someone for bringing healers into this then blame OP because rather than actually offering a solution in a useful manner they used this discussion to spend more time acting like healers are a plague on the game. When I’m a tank I want to play with my healer, not ignore them because I just assume they are trash. If you won’t acknowledge my point as a healer main then acknowledge my point as a tank enjoyer. I don’t like tank sustain both as the healer and the tank, I have a macro when I level WAR saying if the healer wants to actually heal I won’t press bloodwhetting, I like working with others, shocking I know

As for the WHM point YOU LITERALLY BOUGHT THAT UP INITIALLY. Did you forget already you were the person who first mentioned WHM to try to deflect my point. And yes you obviously didn’t read POM’s tooltip because that just makes you cast holy 3 faster, it isn’t a “different button”. If you are grouping up a pack with a WHM 999/1000 times they will cast holy and the other 1/1000 they will cast misery then holy, either way you are getting holy

No you don’t come onto the healer forum, but you’ll move heaven and earth to justify it on the tank threads why you are more important than the healer. Do I really have to explain the jobs are interconnected and some of us actually like that level of reliance. As a tank I despise being self sufficient and if the party dies I will kill myself. When this discussion comes up on tank threads I will argue against it because I play tanks, it’s not my problem if you don’t try to discuss on healer threads why you don’t like something about healers.

[CKNovel]

As for the WHM point YOU LITERALLY BOUGHT THAT UP INITIALLY. Did you forget already you were the person who first mentioned WHM to try to deflect my point. And yes you obviously didn’t read POM’s tooltip because that just makes you cast holy 3 faster, it isn’t a “different button”. If you are grouping up a pack with a WHM 999/1000 times they will cast holy and the other 1/1000 they will cast misery then holy, either way you are getting holy

First, no, I used WHM as an example for the "communication" argument, you brought WHM optimisation in. I could have used Ninja Example but choose WHM as it would be a better fit to the tank/heal discussion.

Second:


For your information yes it's a gain. The priority is:
Misery > Glare IV > 3 lilies into Misery > Holy II
You can math it out yourself.

[Supersnow845]

First, no, I used WHM as an example for the "communication" argument, you brought WHM optimisation in. I could have used Ninja Example but choose WHM as it would be a better fit to the tank/heal discussion.

Second:

So you admit you shifted the discussion from DRK to WHM glad we could clear that up

And guess what happens after 3 glare 4’s, yep you guessed it……holy, even if you use lilys in uptime (why when you can use them in downtime) you are pressing holy, you can’t avoid the fact that an ABC WHM will use holy in every pull

[AnjouMaaka]

You mean where I refuted your idea then the other person randomly bought in drama. Yeah that’s totally my fault

You mean where you took offense to an opinion and think responding the way you did counts as whatever you're now on about? Yeah good luck with that one. And the drama being brought here is on you for responding to it instead of ignoring it and moving on. That's totally a you problem. World doesn't revolve around you. Just like it doesn't revolve around these healers that think having a vendetta against dark knights is something their entitled to, to the point of having their malicious behavior defended at the cost of everyone else's fun and enjoyment. Square Enix has control over whether that continues to be a major problem for FFXIV. The ideal fix is Raw Intuition becoming a tank role ability. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't looking at the whole picture, and not even bothering to put up their own decent suggestions for fixing dark knight and gunbreaker self sustain. Gunbreaker is not suffering as much as dark knight is, but Heart of Corundum is only a 700p excog and aurora might as well not even exist for how much regen it provides. Probably the only tank cooldown in the game that's actually worse than Oblation. Paladin may not be suffering but the way they get their self healing is clunky. If there has to be a cost for Raw Intuition becoming a role ability, let it be the removal of Aurora, Clemency and Oblation. Boom, easy and quick to code. No additional steps needed outside of maybe animation tweaking so that Raw Intuition fits each tank.

[Supersnow845]

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Do you not see the irony in your comment, I took offence to the suggestion while literally every comment you have ever posted on this thread is “every healers goal in this game is to grief DRK’s and they should be ignored”. Every comment is you just randomly insulting healers for literally zero reason but then you act offended when people call you out for it. I stand by my original comment, if you are so allergic to interaction with the other party members maybe you just aren’t as good of a tank as you think you are because I never have a problem on DRK even when I can’t get LD to proc. You yourself said that “tank invulns should only be used in emergencies” (which is wrong btw), why are you letting it get to an emergency state. Between my mitigation, liberal use of TBN and efficient use of shadow wall and abyssal drain it never gets to “emergency” even with a cure 1 spammer

I’m not even going to acknowledge your “it’s not the person who bought up the dramas fault it’s your fault for responding to the drama” because that just shows your inherent bias to the other person considering that’s objectively their fault

I’m not putting up an alternate solution to “male raw intuition a role CD” because it’s such an asinine idea that it doesn’t warrant acknowledgment. DRK isn’t the problem, DRK’s sustain is perfectly fine and is well balanced, with the addition of shadow wall upgrade it has just the right amount of agency over its own health. Making raw intuition a role CD is the worse thing you could do to the tank role. WAR style tanking is boring AF, I want to be in danger, I want to rely on my healer, I want to use all my CD’s not turn my brain off an use an auto clicker on BW every 25 seconds. DRK’s tanking style is well designed and tests your knowledge of their kit. If you want an alternate solution mine is

“Nerf WAR/PLD/GNB healing and give every tank a semi interesting tanking experience like DRK”

This has nothing to do with my opinion on tank sustain as a healer, this is me playing WAR and DRK and going “WAR tanking is boring AF because I’m literally never in danger if I know where my BW key is”, I want to actually be challenged as a tank

[AnjouMaaka]

Do you not see the irony in your comment, I took offence to the suggestion while literally every comment you have ever posted on this thread is “every healers goal in this game is to grief DRK’s and they should be ignored”.

Admits he's offended and then proceeds to create a non-cohesive paragraph of pure gibberish that's no where close to being based in reality. Classic drama queen