How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The only QoL that I could think of for Living Dead is to add additional way to proc Walking Dead: receive enough damage equal to set amount of HP percentage (probably 100%) while Living Dead is active. Maybe extend the window of activation to 15s. This way, even if your healer goes into panic mode, your LD would still proc once that damage threshold is met. The good side of having external heal being able to pop your LD is in the event you cannot proc Walking Dead yourself (I.e. no target to attack, Down for the Count, stun, etc).

Hard disagree on adding more self sustenance to DRK. Anecdotally speaking I have never seen the need for extra sustenance in dungeon pulls as a DRK nor healers that could or could not be grieving. More than not, this is because of the combination of the following:

1. Healer have no idea what and how Living Dead works.
2. Healer is one of those 'omg tank's HP so low I need heal omgomg'-panickey healer.
3. Healer wasn't paying attention.

I certainly know DRKs do not need that extra sustenance because I've survived through wall pulls in 'harder dungeons' as a DRK paired with a Freecure/Physick/Helios/Diagnosis Mage with AND without use of LD. If that low of a HPS can sustain the tank with known lowest sustenance, then the issue would've lied on combination of all 4 players' competency (bad healing practice, single targeting dps, bad tank cooldown rotation, etc).

[Carighan]

The only QoL that I could think of for Living Dead is to add additional way to proc Walking Dead: receive enough damage equal to set amount of HP percentage (probably 100%) while Living Dead is active. Maybe extend the window of activation to 15s. This way, even if your healer goes into panic mode, your LD would still proc once that damage threshold is met. The good side of having external heal being able to pop your LD is in the event you cannot proc Walking Dead yourself (I.e. no target to attack, Down for the Count, stun, etc).

I mean wouldn't just blocking the healing during its activation window be a mechanically easier way of doing that? Or defer it, like I suggested before. But yeah, same idea in a way I guess.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I mean wouldn't just blocking the healing during its activation window be a mechanically easier way of doing that? Or defer it, like I suggested before. But yeah, same idea in a way I guess.

My only concern with blocking healing is when you're trying to invuln without any means to heal yourself like aforementioned reasons. Hencewhy I suggest the 2nd 'foolproof' condition to proc it once the DRK receive enough damage in the same window.

So now you have two ways to proc it: normal way (die first) or that.

[CKNovel]

Strawman right away!
Nah, I don't care just wanted to point out your hypocrisy about tooltips.
You go personal, don't mind me if I do.

If you are grouping up a pack with a WHM 999/1000 times they will cast holy and the other 1/1000 they will cast misery then holy, either way you are getting holy

You're not mentionning Glare IV anywhere.
You just learned about Glare IV minutes ago.

So much for reading the tooltips!

[Supersnow845]

Strawman right away!
Nah, I don't care just wanted to point out your hypocrisy about tooltips.
You go personal, don't mind me if I do.



You're not mentionning Glare IV anywhere.
You just learned about Glare IV minutes ago.

So much for reading the tooltips!

You accused me of shifting the discussion to WHM then when I told you you started down the path of WHM you made up a “I used WHM as a random example, you were actually the one who steered the discussion that way” as if that makes any sense and doesn’t make it your fault you bought WHM up, if you used NIN instead I would have argued with you using NIN examples. That isn’t a strawman please learn what these terms mean

If you are not using holy multiple times in a pull you just have garbage uptime, you aren’t avoiding that with “but glare 4”. It’s 3 GCD’s, even if you use misery in uptime that 7 GCD’s total, you aren’t killing the mobs in 7 GCD’s, you will use holy, that’s all there is to the discussion

[CKNovel]

Keep dancing, that's entertaining!
You wanted to keep with WHM discussion, I'll be happy to oblige!

And yes you obviously didn’t read POM’s tooltip because that just makes you cast holy 3 faster, it isn’t a “different button”.

If you are not using holy multiple times in a pull you just have garbage uptime, you aren’t avoiding that with “but glare 4”. It’s 3 GCD’s, even if you use misery in uptime that 7 GCD’s total, you aren’t killing the mobs in 7 GCD’s, you will use holy, that’s all there is to the discussion

Now what you're doing is called "moving the goalpost".
You went from "WHM is 1/1000 misery and 999/1000 Holy" to "WHM will still do holy anyway!!!"

You don't read tooltip and criticize everyone else for not reading them.
I don't need more, you nuked your healer main credibility.

Never forget Presence of Mind when you tell anyone "Obviously you can't read", since it's something you love to criticize.

[Supersnow845]

Keep dancing, that's entertaining!
You wanted to keep with WHM discussion, I'll be happy to oblige!





Now what you're doing is called "moving the goalpost".
You went from "WHM is 1/1000 misery and 999/1000 Holy" to "WHM will still do holy anyway!!!"

You don't read tooltip and criticize everyone else for not reading them.
I don't need more, you nuked your healer main credibility.

Never forget Presence of Mind when you tell anyone "Obviously you can't read", since it's something you love to criticize.

You have my seal of approval to bring up this conversation anytime you want to try to discredit me, it’s cute you think you got such a victory here when you just read my comment hyper literally rather than how any normal person would read it as (especially when “healers spam 1 button” is an accepted statement by anyone). People who actually want to convince others argue points not “but I imagined a fault from him in a random forum post 3 months ago” but please continue to do so so everyone will know you don’t actually have any credible arguments

Regardless let’s return to DRK since we established you derailed the thread in the first place. Don’t change living dead. Skills that encourage communication with other members of your party and don’t always work if the party doesn’t communicate are well designed. Self sufficiency of any role is bad in an MMO and should be actively discouraged

[Arohk]

Plays Dark Knight in a Dungeon, complains.

well...

[Alice_Rivers]

Plays Dark Knight in a Dungeon, complains.

well...

Plays WHM in dungeon, sees DRK, celebrates.

[AnjouMaaka]

Plays WHM in dungeon, sees DRK, celebrates.

Healers: Our heals aren't needed, give us something to heal

Also healers: Can't pass a simple heal check like Harrowing Hell or Brutal Impact. Can't heal dark knights in dungeons unless it's to grief Living Dead.