How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[AnjouMaaka]

These two are contradictory statements, either only 999 of 1000 healers are attacking you, OR you have never "seen a healer not grief my living dead", you cannot have it both ways.

Outside of your experience and, so far as I can see, your experience alone there is no reason to change LD.

That means 1 in every 1,000 dungeons, I don't see a dark knight having to use Living Dead. The bigger point is that Living Dead shouldn't even be necessary for a wall to wall pull. If this is happening, something has gone terribly wrong. The way I worded it was probably an over-exaggeration, but my point still stands and attacking me for something normal people do is extremely shallow and petty. This is like your 8th attempt at an attack on my character. Shut up and leave, because you aren't adding anything to the discussion.

[Alice_Rivers]

That's not an attack on you, it's another dismantling of your argument, or are you telling me that your argument IS you and vice versa? That would be unfortunate. I have seen a lot of DRKs who don't need LD to clear W2W pulls, I've seen a lot of DRKs who don't even need half their mits to clear W2W pulls, that you claim to need it so often does indeed say something is wrong in your duties, possibly with the players, but most certainly not with the game's balance.

[AnjouMaaka]

That's not an attack on you, it's another dismantling of your argument, or are you telling me that your argument IS you and vice versa? That would be unfortunate. I have seen a lot of DRKs who don't need LD to clear W2W pulls, I've seen a lot of DRKs who don't even need half their mits to clear W2W pulls, that you claim to need it so often does indeed say something is wrong in your duties, possibly with the players, but most certainly not with the game's balance.

You are trying to dismantle a fact if that is your goal, which good luck trying to twist the truth. That's a complete reading comprehension failure.

"I have seen a lot of DRKs who don't need LD to clear W2W pulls, I've seen a lot of DRKs who don't even need half their mits to clear W2W pulls..." - Congrats on regurgitating something I already highlighted. Yes, when proper healing is provided, Living Dead is not necessary. If healing is not received at all, we are going to run out of cooldowns covering your slack and only use Living Dead as a last resort. For Expert Dungeons specifically, yes, when overgeared with savage gear, you can have instances where even mitigating is not needed. These are completely obvious to pretty much everyone that's at least an average player.

My claim on how often it occurs is most assuredly 100% accurate because I'm also including the times when I play dps and see it happen to another player who is on dark knight. So yeah, it's way more often than you think. If the only thing you play is healer, and you are doing a good job of healing, then of course your experience is going to be wildly different, and you aren't going to see this problem at all, which really gives you no grounds to even be speaking on it. But you just put the blame on the players, which, to be fair, some of the blame lies with them, but the reason I am putting it forward like I am is because it's a preventable activity that is only possible because of how both the job and the invuln is designed.

[Chrome_Aerial]

Really there is no blame game here mate. You stated yourself that 1/1000 dungeons you see Dark knights not use LD.
Thats a problem with the players who play tank as well as the healers. As i stated before either you or the healer are to blame for LD needing to be used in the first place.

I've had to use LD maybe 3 times in the past 2 weeks. And 2/3 were due to bad healers

If you play 100 dungeons and you need living dead in at least 80 of them then i'd love to argue with you that SOMETHING FISHY IS UP.

I've played for 2 and a half year my man. I tank for 1 and a half year. I played healer and have a pocket healer. As well as the fact i often played with random healers. And living dead is still rarely used.

[Chrome_Aerial]

Also to make a point on it. I have read some of your responses and you're attacking multiple people here. And i never said it was all the healers
Just those that appearently "grief" you.
Mate your responses are a thousand words long about an unnescesary thing that can't even be proven to be actual grieving 100% of the time. So why shud i spend a hour reading all of that.

[AnjouMaaka]

Also to make a point on it. I have read some of your responses and you're attacking multiple people here. And i never said it was all the healers
Just those that appearently "grief" you.
Mate your responses are a thousand words long about an unnescesary thing that can't even be proven to be actual grieving 100% of the time. So why shud i spend a hour reading all of that.

Whether each individual incident can be proven as griefing is irrelevant. The important thing is that the activity is inexcusably preventable. That alone is grounds for the post, for calling out Square Enix on a design flaw, and this discussion. That's what you're failing to understand on that.

[Alice_Rivers]

I'm sure it wouldn't need saying to any good faith debater (yes, a shot at you), that I do not in fact play healer exclusively, when playing dps I have seen some painful healer play in my time but you know what else I still see as dps? DRKs who are neither forced to LD for W2W pulls or griefed when LD is used.

[Yurhee]

Also to make a point on it. I have read some of your responses and you're attacking multiple people here. And i never said it was all the healers
Just those that appearently "grief" you.
Mate your responses are a thousand words long about an unnescesary thing that can't even be proven to be actual grieving 100% of the time. So why shud i spend a hour reading all of that.

That's the very issue with this forum, and why if you ask people in game they will about always tell you they don't go due to how negative and toxic it is.
That said, there are a lot of great ideas and thoughts you can find on this forum which makes it worth it to read, but people are overwhelmingly arrogant, with an ego about something no-one care about, and on some topics forgetting that players' experience has to take all type players into account. Weirdly, some are very lovely in game, just like if the forum added a layer to protection on them allowing them to express the bad parts in them, sad, to stay polite. Don't waste your time will people like that (as there are nice peeps here too), you'll just waste your time and internet + this forum means that whenever 2 peoples are arguing, one changing their mind and agreeing

Also I share the same experience as you about Living Dead, I about never use it. I even tried to make a macro to ask healer to stop healing me while using LD (2 seconds delay with the message). Needless to say, even that didn't work lol. Living dead is what it's meant to be, an emergency button to push, not an additional mit. that adding flavor and used by " " skilled " " people. (I wish it was)
Also the numbers mentioned 1/1000 or as you said 80% of the time is straight up wrong, or the issue is the tank themselves (or healer) lol.

[FuwafuwaMii]

I go into a roulette, I end up with a tank I don't know -- and few tanks actually use their mits properly or stick to what they can actually tank without exploding. How am I to know I can trust you?
I see your HP plummet, I drop a heal.
Don't take it as if I either ignore your skill as a DRK, or griefing you. I'm busy nuking/spamming AOE/ sprinting after you so you don't die behind some corner because you don't adapt to the group's tempo. I don't have time to take a thorough look at your buffs every time when you go down faster than Paris Hilton.

[AnjouMaaka]

I go into a roulette, I end up with a tank I don't know -- and few tanks actually use their mits properly or stick to what they can actually tank without exploding. How am I to know I can trust you?
I see your HP plummet, I drop a heal.
Don't take it as if I either ignore your skill as a DRK, or griefing you. I'm busy nuking/spamming AOE/ sprinting after you so you don't die behind some corner because you don't adapt to the group's tempo. I don't have time to take a thorough look at your buffs every time when you go down faster than Paris Hilton.

If you are having trouble keeping up with tanks, that's a you problem. Most tanks, myself included, aren't cutting the healer off around corners. I might dip for a split second to LoS (Line of sight) any ranged enemies, but ranged enemies are only just now returning to dungeons, and the new ones don't really have a place for you to LoS them. And if the tank is getting torn through faster than you can heal, then they aren't mitigating properly. But you are taking general statements personally. If you are good at healing, great, that makes you a rarity. You being good at your job doesn't make my experience false or inaccurately described on my part.