Consumable arrows

[Coglin]

So again you typed out a lot without really saying anything. Why is this a true detriment to anyone, Goldsmiths especially? You didn't really refute that claim, you just asked if I ate paint chips as a kid. Hardly an actual defense for your argument.

Umm, because we make items for arrows the most consumed item in the game. Just because you do notunderstand it does not make it less true.

Refute the argument that Goldsmiths have little to do with this thread. Goldsmiths only make ONE type of ingot used for arrows, out of five. Goldsmiths aren't even able to make the other four. Goldsmiths have many other recipes that they can level on and make money off of. Why are arrows so important to them?

Umm we make material for arrows, its a fact. I am unclear why you keep demanding I restate hard fact to "refute" your opinion of class and its relative effectiveness, particularly whenyou havelimited to no experience with it.
You keep saying that they are the most used item in the game and yet you refuse to acknowledge that they are also the item with the highest production volume in the game. Refute that, I dare you.

Refute what exactly? If I do not disagree with something why would I refute it? Now your just being creepy.
It has a high production volume for a reason. Which is why that fact supports my point.
You have as many facts as me? Show them then. Start posting actual numbers and real arguments and maybe I'll take you seriously for a second. You have yet to post any kind of real info supporting your argument.
Ummkay......I see someone forgot there lithium this morning. I don't need more facts then you tohave my opinion and stance. AlthoughI have posted some, you simply evade them and pretend thy were not posted ordo notexist.
You're right a DoH can support a Bard in replenishing arrows. So, show of hands here, who has a DoH with them when they go into dungeons, Primal fights, or any end-game content that simply follows them around and gives them arrows? Anybody? No, didn't think so. Meanwhile Bards are a common part of party setups in end-game content, more likely to have one around at any given time.
Anyone and everyone who levels it. In case you forget I can change from Bard to moner to goldsmith to armorer to carpenter as easily as I can change to blackmage. Now your just not makingsense.

So seriously, convince me that this is an actual issue for DoL/H. Convince me that losing arrows as a consumed item will be a drastic detriment to them. Show me how it would so adversely affect Goldsmith because honestly, I'm seeing them lose a SINGLE source of people buying Mythril ingots among a great many. If you can't do this then your argument really doesn't hold any merit. And don't come back with "I don't have to prove anything to you" or "It's so obvious I shouldn't have to explain it." If you can't explain it in detail, don't bother posting.

Sorry, but I do not have to convince you of jack squat, and I don't think your in any position to stop me from posting. Feel free to try though. I have stated my opinion based on my perspective and experiences, if that breaks your fragile little heart, that your problem. If you care to remoe your blinders, I am sure even the simplest of minds can comprehind that it would effet other classes, and as I am leveling Bot/Crp myself, I find my view from there, and my growing experience from thise 2 addition classes, and experience as a archer/bard, gives me a highly relavent oppinion.

Admitt it, you love green too.

[Teia]

Goldsmiths only make ONE type of ingot used for arrows, out of five. Goldsmiths aren't even able to make the other four. Goldsmiths have many other recipes that they can level on and make money off of. Why are arrows so important to them?

And speaking as someone who can make any arrow ingot in the game, I wouldn't even notice if arrow recipes were removed wholesale. Because that apparently makes my opinion hold more weight, or something. Hell, according to his logic, my 10 levels in CRP (I played it once to get Tender Touch then never played it again) makes me automatically more qualified to talk about arrows than someone with it at 0. Somehow.

Remember, though, you're arguing with someone who basically responded to "as a gatherer, I say this" with "you don't get to say that, your perspective doesn't apply to everyone, but as a gatherer, here's a perspective I'm applying to everyone." It's pretty much a textbook case of hypocrisy.

[Arcell]

So Coglin, basically you can't explain your argument then? Yeah, didn't think so. You said the exact things I knew you would, as stated in my own post. You refuted absolutely nothing and ignored any actual arguments. You resorted to personal insults as well, good job. You've proven that you actually have absolutely no argument with any footing in reality. Prove me wrong and I'll admit you're right. Though I doubt that'll happen as you can't. Prove me wrong, I would absolutely love to see you try. Use actual facts and real arguments instead of just attacking me personally. If you can't do this, which I believe is the case, your thoughts have absolutely no bearing on this thread.

[Coglin]

So Coglin, basically you can't explain your argument then? Yeah, didn't think so. You said the exact things I knew you would, as stated in my own post. You refuted absolutely nothing and ignored any actual arguments. You resorted to personal insults as well, good job. You've proven that you actually have absolutely no argument with any footing in reality. Prove me wrong and I'll admit you're right. Though I doubt that'll happen as you can't. Prove me wrong, I would absolutely love to see you try. Use actual facts and real arguments instead of just attacking me personally. If you can't do this, which I believe is the case, your thoughts have absolutely no bearing on this thread.

So my opinion and perspective are invalid because I didn't prove them to a couple of idiots who demanded I do. Everyone loves an opinion nazi.

You're arguing with someone who basically responded to "as a gatherer, I say this" with "you don't get to say that, your perspective doesn't apply to everyone, but as a gatherer, here's a perspective I'm applying to everyone." It's pretty much a textbook case of hypocrisy.

Please quote specificly where I made either statement.

[Teia]

Please quote specificly where I made either statement.

Herp:

As a gatherer, I agree with Welvum.

And derp:

Again you pressume to tell us as gatherers, how we will and wil not feel about this. From a gatheres perspective, I am telling you your wrong. Your perspective does not apply to everyone.

Herp a derp derp, three herps to a derp, herping their herps and derps.

Because Arcell's perspective doesn't apply to every gatherer, but apparently yours does (why else would he be wrong and you wouldn't?).

[Coglin]

Because Arcell's perspective doesn't apply to every gatherer, but apparently yours does (why else would he be wrong and you wouldn't?).

And how do you get to that false asumption? I clearly stated he was wrong to claim his opinion applies to all getherers, Thats a fact. Where did I claim my opinion applier to all getherers?

So again, please quote where I claimed to speak for all crafters my lying friend.

Is called reading comprehension, you should give it a shot sometime.

[Teia]

Here's a hint: He didn't claim his opinion was universal to all gatherers any more than you did with yours. He generalized. That's different from making a blanket statement.

[Coglin]

Here's a hint: He didn't claim his opinion was universal to all gatherers any more than you did with yours. He generalized. That's different from making a blanket statement.

Really? Odd since he specifically said "all" twice in the same sentance to emphasize it.

All the classes that it would affect all have a very wide range of other items they could make money and/or level off of. They won't miss the arrows and they'll find other things to make even if they did, it would hardly affect them.

This is not stated as opinion, it is projected as a statement of fact.

There are so many other things that those ingots are used for on Goldsmith and Armorer that they won't miss it.

Thats not a blanket statement after the 94th time he says it. Thats a claim. No where does he qualify at any time like "in my opinion" or "as I see it" and so on.

my opinion here is more valid than yours.

Sounds like more then a blanket statement when I read that.

[Arcell]

my opinion here is more valid than yours.

Sounds like more then a blanket statement when I read that.

Way to take what I said out of context. The entire quote you're looking for is:

However with your logic, since I have Blacksmith and Armorer well into their 20s, my opinion here is more valid than yours.

You're clearly a troll though, I'm done with you here. I'm not replying to anything else you say. Learn to make an actual argument and maybe I'll acknowledge you again.

So what do actual crafters and gatherers have to say about this? Anyone care about missing the arrow recipe?

[Coglin]

Clearly anyone who disagrees with you is trolling.

I mean forget the fact that I had 3-4 post here as part of the discussion before you arrived. I never addressed you specifically untill you quoted me, not to mention in the post you quted me on, you were very specific to claim arroe heads "do NOT" exist in the game anymore. Which is, well, false.

Interesting mentality of yours to claim me a troll for being part of the discussion long befor your arrival, and responding to your direct quotes of me were you claimed factually lies.