Picto makes the game less fun

[Dyvid]

Hi, I've been playing 14 since 2.0,

Well you know then that we'll see the potency changes when 7.08 drops, just like when 6.08 and 5.08 dropped.

[LilimoLimomo]

That's a good way to make people abandon more challenging jobs which will then inevitably result in simplification, as we've seen before. If there's no reward for your efforts, why bother?

There is a reward for your efforts: you get to play the class that you actually enjoy instead of feeling bored by a class that doesn't engage you. Playing a class you don't enjoy just because it has higher damage numbers is a fantastic way to waste your own time and energy.

If you seriously think people just arbitrarily want to work harder for less reward, or equal at a maximum, i think you might want to talk to some people who actually play those jobs.

If playing the game feels like "work" to you, then you're probably playing the wrong job or the wrong game. When it comes to enjoying game systems, there's usually a balance to strike: too easy and you'll get bored, but too challenging and it can feel like work. But when you find that sweet spot between the two that perfectly aligns with your subjective tastes? Man, that's such a nice feeling. That's a huge part of why I play this games. And I'm not alone in that; the existence of Extremes, Savages, and Ultimates is a testament to the fact that many players enjoy challenge.

I can't get that great feeling on other DPS. I've mained Black Mage since ARR, and in my opinion it's the most beautifully designed class in the game; to me, there's nothing that compares to how enjoyable it is to play. The numbers that pop up when I deal damage are just a contrivance; the feeling of actually playing Black Mage is what I'm here for.

What you'll inevitably end up with in practice is everyone flocking to the training wheels job instead. As people don't want to be penalised.

This is in no way a bad thing. Let the players who want the easy jobs play the easy jobs, and let the players who want the more challenging jobs play the more challenging jobs. Everyone gets what they want.

[GoatOfWar]

This is in no way a bad thing. Let the players who want the easy jobs play the easy jobs, and let the players who want the more challenging jobs play the more challenging jobs. Everyone gets what they want.

And how would that be any different if the training wheel jobs performed slightly worse if optimised compared to the other jobs?
I genuinely do not understand why this is such a painful topic for so many people. Nobody wants to be penalised or handicapped.
Vpr and Picto make me actively not want to raid. Knowing it could be so much easier and i'd do strictly better. Am i speaking French?
People do NOT want to work harder for nothing. It's something you're going to have to accept. Either all jobs are braindead or the majority of people will flock to the braindead jobs which will result in further simplification to all jobs as they become unpopular. We have seen this happen countless times. VPR has a tank dps rotation without any of the tank responsibilities, and not a single job mechanic to track.
One will always be better than the other if you do not reasonably balance around job difficulty. Vpr sees more than double the amount of players than the next most played melee, and i'm seeing zero reason to play anything other than Vpr.

''You play whats fun is the reward'' is i think, to put it bluntly, the most retarded thing i've read all day. Because these jobs are competing for a slot.. A handicap is not a reward.
And since you're inadvertedly okay with the players playing more accessible jobs doing more damage than the others most of the time -by being easier and featuring less fail states. Why can't harder jobs do higher damage by a similar margin when mastered and those failstates are overcome?

[Zakuyia]

It's simply a balance issue and the devs are too afraid of the backlash from nerfing the popular and new job so they're once again opting to buff every other job. And because they chose the route that's not as easy as simply nerfing 1 job they're probably going to take a few more balance patches to get it somewhat right.

Oh im call bs on this cause dancer got nerfed during shadow bringer. At one point u could literally time standard and technical into a looping rotation but they increase its time cause it was too powerful and i believe dancer potency got adjusted during shadow bringer cause it was way powerful back then vs now.

[Carighan]

I agree it does.

By showcasing two things:

* How superior auto-combos are to wasting 2-3 hotbar buttons for a sequence of spell casts requiring exactly 0 brain cells.
* How outdated the design of many old jobs like Black Mage or Dragoon or so is, nowadays.

Ha! :P

No seriously, they ought to do an expansion that brings sweeping reworks to all jobs, even if it means we're not getting new jobs at all. Adding more on top instead of first fixing what is there is a big no-no in software development IMO. And Picto really shows how much fun a caster can be if they're freshly designed from the ground up in a vacuum.

[CaedemSanguis]

They kinda did. VPR is the top DPS right now in most fights, and it's the easiest melee to play.

at 99th percentile currently

all melees + blm + pct are separated by a few hundred DPS

So I dont think there is a lot of "bad balance" currently considering melees and pct/blm, they do more or less the same damage

[CaedemSanguis]

If it makes you feel any better, many melee players are being clowned on for not playing Vpr.
Tank dps rotation without any of the tank abilities

a bit harder since you have a lot of positionnals and faster gcd

no resource management

you have to manage uncoil, gauge and your 40s cd

no burst buildup

You have to put 2 RA during bursts, and 3 in pots, without dropping your buffs

All the other melees except maybe Reaper have twice as many buttons and actual job mechanics.

What is the DRG "actual job mech" ?

But they all do less dps.

nope check fflog stats

[CaedemSanguis]

Vpr and Picto make me actively not want to raid.

Then your not a raider

[Supersnow845]

I’m not sure why you are more angry with PCT than VPR who for 99 players out of 100 your VPR will do more damage than your PCT, it has a rotation rivalling SMN in its simplicity and it can basically be played like a physical ranged with how overpowered uncoiled fury is

At least PCT actually requires a few brain cells to play like the medium/hard melee, VPR should be doing SMN damage

a bit harder since you have a lot of positionnals and faster gcd



you have to manage uncoil, gauge and your 40s cd



You have to put 2 RA during bursts, and 3 in pots, without dropping your buffs




What is the DRG "actual job mech" ?



nope check fflog stats

To be fair almost all of that is absolute bare bones for any class in this game. “Don’t press on CD what you could stuff into buffs” isn’t really a complex job mechanic

[CaedemSanguis]

To be fair almost all of that is absolute bare bones for any class in this game. “Don’t press on CD what you could stuff into buffs” isn’t really a complex job mechanic

I think that every class is easy in this game, ranking tank/melee difficulties is a bit of a joke to me honestly (aside maybe for the "99-100" optimization, but who cares about this, even p8s week1 didn't require that kind of optimization)

For instance I dont feel drg/rpr being harder than vpr at all