Picto makes the game less fun

[BabyYoda]

what is the point to play with a group without a job that counter the current encounter design and use their weaknesses as strength?

people now realized how unbalance the game is.. PCT is one issue of many bad design choices

[Valence]

Happened with MCH in EW and if memory serves me right PLD in HW and AST kinda in early HW (but this was more due to people being really bad at it.)

Those were jobs with serious underperforming issues and/or broken toolkits. A little unfair in the case of MCH since it was perfectly functional still, but it was certainly not due to burst mismatch (especially since EW had everybody bursting on 2min already anyway).

[Ramiee]

PCT isn't really a problem, its a unique well designed and fun job its just blantantly overpowered for the encounter design and 2 minute buff meta. If CDs were at different timers again and raid buff alignment wasnt consistent I reckon PCTs rdps would be far more reasonable because really its nDPS isn't extremely high. If there is nerfing to PCT I would want it on Holy in White, a longer Smudge CD and make the hammer combo only CRT-DH during the 2 minute burst, I like the fact its motifs are its high damage and its spells are weak because the normal cast combo is really fast and the motif painting is the only part of the job that makes it feel like a caster.

Those were jobs with serious underperforming issues and/or broken toolkits.

Maybe but im just saying the only ones I remember.

[Carighan]

Yeah Picto in fact just shows how outdated and boring and samey most DPS in this game are designed. It's also overpowered to a degree, but frankly I see that as the much smaller issue. The big one is that it puts a big thumb onto the wound of terrible DPS design in FFXIV. In particular thematically, as the themes are never realized into gameplay elements.

[Lyth]

PCT isn't really a problem, its a unique well designed and fun job its just blantantly overpowered for the encounter design and 2 minute buff meta.

I can't even process this sentence. What?

I remember the WAR party line from Heavenward was 'WAR is just better designed than other tanks. Don't nerf WAR, buff the other jobs into equality.' Which of course was blatantly false, because every time someone advocated for equality they were then told 'Don't homogenize the tanks.' But at least that circular argument was superficially coherent to the point that it could fool some people.

This is like trying to hide in plain sight.

[Ramiee]

I can't even process this sentence. What?

I remember the WAR party line from Heavenward was 'WAR is just better designed than other tanks. Don't nerf WAR, buff the other jobs into equality.' Which of course was blatantly false, because every time someone advocated for equality they were then told 'Don't homogenize the tanks.' But at least that circular argument was superficially coherent to the point that it could fool some people.

This is like trying to hide in plain sight.

And to follow up where you cut off "blantantly overpowered for the encounter design and 2 minute buff meta."

So either we can lose what makes PCT unique by nerfing it's motifs and make it I don't know what people want. As strong as what? Ninja?
Instead of removing this awful shitty raid buffing meta and let PCT have it's strong bursts and weak filler identity across a more reasonable stretch of time instead of every 2 minutes.

[Raikai]

And to follow up where you cut off "blantantly overpowered for the encounter design and 2 minute buff meta."

So either we can lose what makes PCT unique by nerfing it's motifs and make it I don't know what people want. As strong as what? Ninja?
Instead of removing this awful shitty raid buffing meta and let PCT have it's strong bursts and weak filler identity across a more reasonable stretch of time instead of every 2 minutes.

I keep wondering how long it will take for CBU3 to finally recognize that the whole "2min burst" concept is creatively unsustainable not only to job gameplay, but also to encounter design.

I mean, unless they are happy with the status quo, which is (playing the devil's advocate) understandable because that's much less work to balance things if everything ends up following a very strict formula.

And if they do... what can we even expect in the so promised job focus in 8.0?

[BabyYoda]

I keep wondering how long it will take for CBU3 to finally recognize that the whole "2min burst" concept is creatively unsustainable not only to job gameplay, but also to encounter design.

I mean, unless they are happy with the status quo, which is (playing the devil's advocate) understandable because that's much less work to balance things if everything ends up following a very strict formula.

And if they do... what can we even expect in the so promised job focus in 8.0?

2 min wasn't balanced and it will never be balance.. unless all dps jobs play the same 99% like how healers ( and they still not balanced )

[Supersnow845]

I can't even process this sentence. What?

I remember the WAR party line from Heavenward was 'WAR is just better designed than other tanks. Don't nerf WAR, buff the other jobs into equality.' Which of course was blatantly false, because every time someone advocated for equality they were then told 'Don't homogenize the tanks.' But at least that circular argument was superficially coherent to the point that it could fool some people.

This is like trying to hide in plain sight.

Seems pretty clear to me

PCT is overpowered in the 2 minute meta but doesn’t change it’s a really well designed class

Don’t get rid of what makes PCT a well designed class remove the 2 minute meta instead because you’ll nerf PCT by proxy of doing this anyway

I don’t think this would actually work given it would 8.0 at the earliest that they would get rid of the 2 minute meta but the thought is sound

[Carighan]

PCT is overpowered in the 2 minute meta but doesn’t change it’s a really well designed class

Don’t get rid of what makes PCT a well designed class remove the 2 minute meta instead because you’ll nerf PCT by proxy of doing this anyway

Yeah, like this. Assuming the frankly silly 2-minute meta stays, Picto is overpowered due to the nature of that, and the medium~long-CD burst skills ought to be nerfed by medium amounts (so actually lose a whole lot of damage). OTOH, only mess with the potency, because the rest - the design - actually works much better in the context of modern combat-design in FFXIV than other jobs do, in particular other casters (so comparing Red Mage and Black Mage, Summoner is phys ranged if we're being honest).