Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

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I appreciate you engaging in a positive manner, and I agree with some of your points. Notably, improvement needs to be community-driven.

As with many other games, Discord has become an obvious medium to lead efforts to improve the skill of the player base. That places a significant responsibility on the shoulders of Discord moderators. I would suggest that currently they are failing in that responsibility. Some examples:

Events can be an effective means to grow the community and to learn. Some of them are very positive. But that whole effort gets poisoned by non-filtered Q-synchs featuring single jobs. And when new players browse the Discord server promoting them, and read conversations deciding what the most annoying such event would be for the stupid "normals" (that would "set Reddit on fire"), they are likely to conclude that the main purpose of this clique is to grief the broader community.

Check out the "Frontlines" channel on some of these servers. As you note, the most common topic is how awful the randos play. One can agree with that sentiment, while recognizing that flooding a channel with such content is both tedious and unwelcoming to new members. That said, at least it is somewhat on topic, unlike the stream of gifs, anime, and player portraits. If Discord is going to lead FL into a bright future, current servers need to clean up their channels.

Finally, what is the invariable FL advice that new Discord members receive? "Join a premade! Get on voice! It's fun!" Sure, for some it's fun and effective. For many others, particularly those new to the mode, the idea of doing this is horrifying. And when nearly all the strategic content is aimed at a playstyle that is not adopted by the vast majority of players, such players conclude they are not wanted and leave.

[AllenThyl]

I appreciate you engaging in a positive manner, and I agree with some of your points. Notably, improvement needs to be community-driven.

Behold, "positive, community-driven improvements":

Really remarkable how a small group of curb-stomping clowns make the mode unplayable for everyone actually interested in good PvP matches.

I do worry that, with a new generation of mini-Olivias taking the helm, the times they end up on the same team will just magnify the current problems. I guess I can hope they'll self-destruct through infighting.

Have you ever thought about how games and game modes grow? How new players become interested in a mode and want to get better? PvP games/modes are notorious for struggling with this, and it's invariably because of a self-appointed elite who are completely deaf to any criticisms that might diminish their "fun," and who can't see beyond "win at any cost."

A skill gap which you insist on widening by running your premades.

I dislike playing with you and people who adopt your playstyle.

What really amuses me is these premades actually believe they are "doing PvP" and are good at it.

Pretty sure FL will be part of the Mogtome event starting in a week. I'd like to encourage premades and other Discord-based abusers (such as the Q-synchers) to back off during this period. Maybe take the opportunity to learn to play solo. If you unleash your usual tricks, this will achieve two things: