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    The actual "moral" problem with the Living Memory has nothing to do with us shutting it down. It's the entire system itself. When someone dies their memories and all that get uploaded into the Living Memory so they can continue to "Live on" and people can come visit them and all that, but also those little techno dodads everyone's wearing then wipes their memories of the dead. Why? If they don't believe dying is that big of a deal because they'll just get uploaded into the Living Memory, then why wipe their memories of the person? In fact, why wipe their memories of the person at all? This is where things aren't making sense, why are they wiping peoples memories of the dead in the first place? None of it makes sense, and seems to directly contradict their stated philosophy of "living on forever so long as your remembered". With the way the Living Memory is designed the living could still come visit those that have passed on, except they don't cause they have no memory of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemii View Post
    The actual "moral" problem with the Living Memory has nothing to do with us shutting it down. It's the entire system itself. When someone dies their memories and all that get uploaded into the Living Memory so they can continue to "Live on" and people can come visit them and all that, but also those little techno dodads everyone's wearing then wipes their memories of the dead. Why? If they don't believe dying is that big of a deal because they'll just get uploaded into the Living Memory, then why wipe their memories of the person? In fact, why wipe their memories of the person at all? This is where things aren't making sense, why are they wiping peoples memories of the dead in the first place? None of it makes sense, and seems to directly contradict their stated philosophy of "living on forever so long as your remembered". With the way the Living Memory is designed the living could still come visit those that have passed on, except they don't cause they have no memory of them.
    This is another point I was going to bring up in my long post earlier but I decided against it. To my understanding, we are the first of the living to venture there or at least that's the impression I got when we were told not to give it away.

    I don't think anyone really knows about Living Memory or the fact the Endless exist.
    Living Memory I assume is purely for the Endless to live out as if they were still alive and reconnect with those they lost.
    While the living continue on without knowing the pain of loss until it's their time to pass on and have their memories uploaded to the cloud, as they called it.

    Because it doesn't make much sense to me to wipe their memories if they could potentially visit the Endless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemii View Post
    The actual "moral" problem with the Living Memory has nothing to do with us shutting it down. It's the entire system itself. When someone dies their memories and all that get uploaded into the Living Memory so they can continue to "Live on" and people can come visit them and all that, but also those little techno dodads everyone's wearing then wipes their memories of the dead. Why? If they don't believe dying is that big of a deal because they'll just get uploaded into the Living Memory, then why wipe their memories of the person? In fact, why wipe their memories of the person at all? This is where things aren't making sense, why are they wiping peoples memories of the dead in the first place? None of it makes sense, and seems to directly contradict their stated philosophy of "living on forever so long as your remembered". With the way the Living Memory is designed the living could still come visit those that have passed on, except they don't cause they have no memory of them.
    The whole memory wipe thing doesn't make sense in general and is probably just something the writers came up with to make the whole thing seem more evil and contrast it more clearly with the whole "you live on in our memories" message of the previous zones. I don't think it has anything to do with how Living Memory itself works (as proven by the two Otis) nor with the question whether the Endless (intelligent and self-aware as they are) should be considered alive/sentient or not.

    It's just one of many instances this expansion where the weak writing lets you see the hand of the writer way too clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolingian View Post
    The whole memory wipe thing doesn't make sense in general and is probably just something the writers came up with to make the whole thing seem more evil and contrast it more clearly with the whole "you live on in our memories" message of the previous zones. I don't think it has anything to do with how Living Memory itself works (as proven by the two Otis) nor with the question whether the Endless (intelligent and self-aware as they are) should be considered alive/sentient or not.

    It's just one of many instances this expansion where the weak writing lets you see the hand of the writer way too clearly.
    Finally, my "Akschually" moment.
    It's a FF IX reference, "To be forgotten is worse than death", but also because Alexandria wanted a happy going kingdom that knows no sadness or grief.
    By wiping the memory of an individual, they made them forget the loss and they don't have to go through the well known steps of grief. But if you're forgotten, does it means you truly lived?

    It's not "evil" it's just classic "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolingian View Post
    The whole memory wipe thing doesn't make sense in general and is probably just something the writers came up with to make the whole thing seem more evil and contrast it more clearly with the whole "you live on in our memories" message of the previous zones. I don't think it has anything to do with how Living Memory itself works (as proven by the two Otis) nor with the question whether the Endless (intelligent and self-aware as they are) should be considered alive/sentient or not.

    It's just one of many instances this expansion where the weak writing lets you see the hand of the writer way too clearly.
    Yea, but it's a complete moral and psychological contradiction. Like everything we've been told and seen of the Alexandrians makes the memory erasing not make sense. So long as there is no explanation for why, then it not only serves no purpose, it goes in direct contradiction to the moral ideology of Sphene and the Alexandrians.
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