Ideas for Healer Rework.

[Shibi]

[QUOTE=Karowolus;6583169]Sage[Quote]

Channeled casts are not why I play SGE, it's the mobility. The channeled spells would hurt the class as it stands.

It needs to be about the same mobility. What I would like is something complex to get right in a very limited time that has a huge reward. I would also love to convert blue heal charges to red dps charges.

SGE loses its shield healer design. Sorry, that's Scholar's job, stop being "SCH but better", be original for once. Instead it becomes more offensive-focused and derives its heal from there.

No, Keep SGE the shield and amp them up, let the SCH do pure pet healing. That's far more in keeping with their job as a pet class.

[Supersnow845]

SCH has been a heal amp shield healers for 4 times as long as SGE has existed as a class. Why don’t we give SGE an actual identity rather than SCH but worse then give all of SCH’s good ideas to SGE pretending like they were SGE’s from the start

Also OP not sure what your beef against SCH is considering you both put it’s a better shield healer than SCH in SGE’s description and SCH is just a terrible healer in general in SCH’s design, neither of those statements are true

[Karowolus]

SCH has been a heal amp shield healers for 4 times as long as SGE has existed as a class. Why don’t we give SGE an actual identity rather than SCH but worse then give all of SCH’s good ideas to SGE pretending like they were SGE’s from the start

Also OP not sure what your beef against SCH is considering you both put it’s a better shield healer than SCH in SGE’s description and SCH is just a terrible healer in general in SCH’s design, neither of those statements are true

I mean, overall the idea behind changing SGE was to make it have it's own identity with quirky shields with additional effects. Whilst frontloading it's healing to Kardia and the additional sources of Kardia healing.
This rework would make is to that you could play both classes together without stepping on eachother's toes because you accidentally overwrote the other's shields.

It took SE years to fix spell clipping in summons in general. And of the healers. Scholar is the one with the most Jank. Whilst a degree of Jank is OK. The fact that we have skills that don't interact with eachother that should needs to be corrected.

A lot of these ideas are concepts and are pretty much an early version. And are the result of a discussion. I just wanted to share it because I felt it was genuinely a good set of reworks that stuck to the job's lore. I do understand that people are probably going to see the bashing on scholar as 'You don't like Scholar'. As someone who plays scholar as their main healer. Right now? It has a janky feeling that I can't put my finger on and I don't feel like I'm incentivized to use the new tools given to me. The general ideas of each were intended to be:

• WHM: Regens, straightforward healing
• AST: Cool takes on straightforward healing and safety nets
• SGE: Damage-based healing
• SCH: Shield Healing and Rotational healing

I fully welcome criticism of these concepts. And these concepts are all very much having differing ideas tossed about.

[Supersnow845]

I mean, overall the idea behind changing SGE was to make it have it's own identity with quirky shields with additional effects. Whilst frontloading it's healing to Kardia and the additional sources of Kardia healing.
This rework would make is to that you could play both classes together without stepping on eachother's toes because you accidentally overwrote the other's shields.

It took SE years to fix spell clipping in summons in general. And of the healers. Scholar is the one with the most Jank. Whilst a degree of Jank is OK. The fact that we have skills that don't interact with eachother that should needs to be corrected.

A lot of these ideas are concepts and are pretty much an early version. And are the result of a discussion. I just wanted to share it because I felt it was genuinely a good set of reworks that stuck to the job's lore. I do understand that people are probably going to see the bashing on scholar as 'You don't like Scholar'. As someone who plays scholar as their main healer. Right now? It has a janky feeling that I can't put my finger on and I don't feel like I'm incentivized to use the new tools given to me. The general ideas of each were intended to be:

• WHM: Regens, straightforward healing
• AST: Cool takes on straightforward healing and safety nets
• SGE: Damage-based healing
• SCH: Shield Healing and Rotational healing

I fully welcome criticism of these concepts. And these concepts are all very much having differing ideas tossed about.

When you say jank what are you referring to?

Energy drain disincentivising healing?
Skills locking out other skills?
A lack of a cohesive “type” of healing?
Visual choices?

It’s interesting to me because in my opinion SCH’s dyssynergy is a form of synergy. The skills interact specifically because they don’t interact. You can’t just randomly pivot on a whim because you picked the wrong strategy, you need to commit to the healing choices you make and that leads to you planning them better. I think you should be able to freely pivot if you make a healing mistake, it’s an optimisation pathway modern healers sorely lack. Energy drain is an extension of this

Visual design not being cohesive for a while is a totally fair criticism though

[Karowolus]

Channeled casts are not why I play SGE, it's the mobility. The channeled spells would hurt the class as it stands.

It needs to be about the same mobility. What I would like is something complex to get right in a very limited time that has a huge reward. I would also love to convert blue heal charges to red dps charges.



No, Keep SGE the shield and amp them up, let the SCH do pure pet healing. That's far more in keeping with their job as a pet class.

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I'll adjust the wording, as I think this is a comment on Pentahumour. The 10s Beam would be something akin almost to their PVP LB, where it leaves a residual zone after the initial cast.

A lot of these ideas aren't really my own. They're my friend's who did a majority of putting all of this together. I just kinda sanitized it to see how the Forums reacted. I do think that either job could go the 'Main Shield Healer' route. Just depends on wholly on which job you would put the main strength on. I kinda like the idea of SGE having the quirky shields with different effects. Right now, a lot of the general sentiment among my friend group, and from what I've also seen other players has generally been that tanks have too much in regards to healing capability, again. Non-Healer clear of M4S on week 2...