With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[Ramiee]

From the images I've seen I don't particularly have sympathy for this individual, I would say she's purposely attracting this attention through being purposely hostile to critics. It's reasonable that she wouldn't want random people voicing their hatred for her performance but engaging with them and being hostile doesn't really make her seem like a victim anymore.
If she was getting harassed and it was just for her performance and she didn't try to attract this attention to think I and others would have far more sympathy for her.

[Lizvette]

[Citation needed]

She's still yet to actually show proof, and seeing as she's the type to cry "VICTIM!" over other people's struggles, I'm going to believe that she's making this up too.

i mean, to be perfectly honest
it's not unreasonable to assume that people who dislike her simply for being trans exist. that's not good. there's also no doubt that there are dumbos who sent shitty messages and/or threats.
what i do question, is that it is common / the magnitude of it. i saw NOTHING but praise ( from the usual suspects, with certain flags in bio ) flooding every post she speaks about it. obviously, a very unhinged 0.5% will do their thing, but that's literally just how internet is. you cannot do anything about it at this point. i do doubt the doxx tho.
therefore, i'll reject her victim card.
edit: i'll also add i literally did see cases of people saying "wuk lamat is boring as a character" and they got responded with "ITS BECAUSE YOU HATE THE VA WHO IS *drumroll* TRANS!!!1". i bet those are are counted as "harassment" as well.

[Tsumdere]

I don't get why people struggle so much with this concept. I'm not even defending Sena. I don't like her. But she doesn't want to BE like you. She IS like you, she is like me. She is every bit as much of a woman, regardless of the circumstances of her birth. Just because she isn't a good person doesn't make it okay to deny a person's humanity like that.

Where did I say I'm denying her humanity? That's a whole new sentence and incredibly gross of you to say. Also embarrassing especially since you're barking up the wrong tree with me. You can look at my post history and easily see that I believe in rejecting gender norms. I've even been dogpiled on this very forum back in ShB for getting mad at people for misgendering/sexism/creep behavior. I'm a 'woke leftie' through and through. Don't assume everyone here is out to attack transwomen because they don't parrot the 'best' opinion word for word.

Transwomen and ciswomen have incredibly unique struggles that the other doesn't experience as a whole. I cannot imagine what it's like having to go through lengthy procedures and medication just to feel like myself. Transwomen cannot imagine how it feels spending nearly your entire life (history, really) being reduced to nothing but your ability to bear children and please men... etc etc. Many examples that I will withhold for brevity's sake.
Trans people should have rights and not live in fear of hate crimes/misgendering/lack of healthcare, but at the same time they should not insist we're the same because we are biological and socially not. And being different is okay. We're all deserving of our rights and respect regardless of our differences. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

Besides, Sena doesn't even believe we are the same because, according to her, she's more deserving of roles than ciswomen because she's different. That sucks of her to say and it sucks that someone like that is the VA of the leading character of DT.

It's genuinely just because they hate trans people. If it was just what they say, that they dislike her work as a VA in Dawntrail or think she's a bad person, then they would just say that (and for the record I also dislike her work and don't like her as a person, either). But they like to say wildly transphobic stuff like this and then excuse it away with "whoa how dare you I was just criticizing her job in Dawntrail and I think she's an awful person".

I suggest just reporting them for transphobia and putting them on ignore. People in this thread have already been banned for it.

You can report me for transphobia and believe I hate transpeople even though I said nothing of the kind. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Just know that you're not doing yourself any favors by reporting people who are literally on your side about not misgendering Sena lol. Get a grip.

[FlowerMilk]

i mean, to be perfectly honest
it's not unreasonable to assume that people who dislike her simply for being trans exist. that's not good. there's also no doubt that there are dumbos who sent shitty messages and/or threats.
what i do question, is that it is common / the magnitude of it. i saw NOTHING but praise ( from the usual suspects, with certain flags in bio ) flooding every post she speaks about it. obviously, a very unhinged 0.5% will do their thing, but that's literally just how internet is. you cannot do anything about it at this point. i do doubt the doxx tho.
therefore, i'll reject her victim card.
edit: i'll also add i literally did see cases of people saying "wuk lamat is boring as a character" and they got responded with "ITS BECAUSE YOU HATE THE VA WHO IS *drumroll* TRANS!!!1". i bet those are are counted as "harassment" as well.

I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

[Bobby66]

I don't get why people struggle so much with this concept. I'm not even defending Sena. I don't like her. But she doesn't want to BE like you. She IS like you, she is like me. She is every bit as much of a woman, regardless of the circumstances of her birth. Just because she isn't a good person doesn't make it okay to deny a person's humanity like that.

As a trans person this mindset needs to stop. No Sena is nor every bit as much of a woman as a biological woman. No as trans women we are not every bit the same. That is not denying her humanity that is just being factual.

I became trans for my own comfortably, but at the core i know I Will forever be a biological male and I will never understand what it is like to he a biological woman.

As for Sena if she is feels it okay for her to voice a non trans character then it is fair for a ciswoman to voice a trans character.

Either we are the same or different we cannot pick and choose when it is convenient for us.

[HighlanderClone]

I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

Grummz is an opportunist cashing in on outrage woke culture war BS on any strand he can find, and he would be completely irrelevant if people just ignored him.

And now because people he has energized

(1) People who don't even play the game to spread culture war BS and irrelevant VA drama anywhere they can, and

(2) People who see transphobia, homophobia, bigotry everywhere, and even

(3) FF14 fanboys and the SE defense force who have found a convenient scapegoat and category to lump all legitimate criticisms in,

we are now in this quagmire, and sadly the community is quite literally too stupid to dig itself out of it.

There might be a silver lining in all this, and it's that this culture war drama BS will accelerate the rot and maybe speed up FF14's demise. One can dream.

[Lizvette]

I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

i'll skip the fact that grummz is a grifter, but...
did you even read the tweet from the screenshot you posted? even he says that wuk lamat is insufferable ( ngl, i liked her in EW and through maybe first 10h of playthrough of DT, but later on also found her awful and annoying) AND ( AND =/= BECAUSE ) is voiced by trans voice actor. which is, objectively, a fact.
i'm curious - why did you conflate the two?

[FlowerMilk]

There might be a silver lining in all this, and it's that this culture war drama BS will accelerate the rot and maybe speed up FF14's demise. One can dream.

Wait, what? Why do you want the game to die? Do you not like FFXIV or something?

[FlowerMilk]

i'll skip the fact that grummz is a grifter, but...
did you even read the tweet from the screenshot you posted? even he says that wuk lamat is insufferable ( ngl, i liked her in EW and through maybe first 10h of playthrough of DT, but later on also found her awful and annoying) AND ( AND =/= BECAUSE ) is voiced by trans voice actor. which is, objectively, a fact.
i'm curious - why did you conflate the two?

Right, which is why I said:

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

[Lizvette]

Right, which is why I said:

conveniently, you skipped your own interpretation, which was wrong.

I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.