M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[Aurumis]

Once again proving the healers are just treated the worst in this game and they don't want to make them fun or fix the problems with the jobs. Amazing.

[Raven2014]

Pretty sure 99% of players haven't cleared M4S yet.

healer are already useless in most form on content, and know, in the hardest content in the game, on the second week, we are already shown that it is better to play with tanks instead.

Uh ... aren't you contradicting yourself here?

This is like saying there is a problem with automatic transmission because professional drivers and racers use manual to get better efficiency, ignoring the fact most normal driver will be better off with automatic.

what more do you need ?

I say you need more perspective so the comparison can make sense.

[Sivante]

This isn't "A good chess player can beat you moving only his knight! Ooo, Wow! Congratulate him!"
This player would legitimately deserve praise, and that's all there is to it.

This is closer to "This player just beat a grandmaster level challenge without moving a single pawn."
This player would still deserve praise, but it immediately makes one stop and look at the games balance.

Now imagine paying a Sub and dishing out additional charges per expansion for chess, only to be given the second scenario. The dev's tell you "we'll revisit pawn balancing in the future, look forward to it" But they said that in the renaissance as well and nothing came of it. Everytime you look over a knight is hopping by preening on his new flex. So you start moving your knights instead, for now, only it turns out if you don't start moving your pawns you can't move your bishops and rooks, so bishop and rook players are getting upset that they are struggling to enjoy the game as much: It takes longer to find a match, and even when they do it's not particularly enjoyable. But all you have to do is wait, right?

But the situation is fine. 1 hour wait-times to play a rook or bishop are entirely normal: They should fix the queues you see, and how roullettes work, class balance has nothing to do with it. You hear people complaining in the distance, errantly, about things like story but you keep your head down and focus on what's important. "Look forward to it," you hear, "8.0." You hear exciting new things they are offering pawns, like the ability to turn 18° in place. Sure, no one ever asked for it, but they're getting it and that's cool right? You've heard they're going to update the graphics on all the pieces that counts for something right? 8.0 is a long way away, but all you have to do is wait.

And they gave us this cool new feature where we can look at a game board and pick movements trying to reach checkmate: if we unlock all the pre-determined paths, we will be gifted with our pawns having little pixie wings on them. You figure you'll get those pixie wings for now - It's all the rage on the otherside of the pond, you've heard. All you have to do is wait.

People don't move pawns: in lieu of substantial difficulty people created it, somewhat unintentionally, by no pawn-runs. We're busy people, you see, and must rush through his at optimal speed. The creators need us to complete this 300 times to unlock our new relic pieces, and speed is the key-word, so if you can't no-pawn run me you're just griefing me and wasting my time. No one has moved pawns since 7.2, are you dense? Yeah, technically it's not against TOS to move a pawn, but if you do I'll know you're trolling immediately. Maybe you should just beg the dev's to make pawns worth a #)*%? Beg and beg, and beg: and then? All you have to do is wait.

Why are you wasting time? Get to waiting, you pay a sub for the priviledge after-all.

[AmiableApkallu]

I'd like to see this with Drk Knights, Brd, MCH, Sam, Drg, Ninja, Viper and BLM dps lol

It's a specific comp where everyone has healing, carried specifically with the overhealing PLD/WAR does, given they are half the group.

What is there to discuss? There will always be top-tier players able to do things that the overwhelming majority of the playerbase have no chance at doing. It's happened in practically every game to ever exist. ...

What the "elite" can do isn't even worth discussing outside of a "congratulations to them."

I know, right? Why do people spend so much time watching the Olympics and talking about those athletes?

It's almost like they inspire folks to be their better selves. Because we're all human. Because we all have the same potential.

And it's dispiriting to find out that, actually, you're not needed when others give it their all. That you're just holding everyone else back. That you're replaceable.

[All_Nonsense]

And what's the issue? 99% of people can't do that

Let's be honest you know I didn't post this in favor of any stance. I just knew that a bunch of people would start fighting and I think that's entertaining

[alfarini]

The issue is it being possible at all on week 2 of content release.
Pretty sure 99% of players haven't cleared M4S yet.

healer are already useless in most form on content, and know, in the hardest content in the game, on the second week, we are already shown that it is better to play with tanks instead.
Healers do the least damage in the game, are the most fragile role in the game, and their niche isn't even useful to the group since tank can do it + do better damage and be safer, what more do you need ?

yeah because a highly coordinated team doing something cool is comparative to the rest of the player base. sure it is, anything is possible with enough effort. this is so cool and i commend them for doing it. i hope week one of Eden ultimate is cleared with no healers aswell, its cool to see. but you cant compare these raid teams to everyone else, that's just plain ol silly.

[Turtledeluxe]

All I ever see is people admitting these devs basically don't know how to design an RPG anymore so they can either watch or engage in "challenge runs". You're just ignoring that this game is fundamentally broken and even creatively bankrupt at this point because it's a symptom you conveniently enjoy for whatever reason.

But challenges are formed around any given environment. I'm sure there would still be challenges if say, at least the hardest content in the game was designed around healers being necessary like tanks are.

[CamuiKushi]

Very cool video. The comp makes a lot of sense. Pretty strong evidence that healers need more of a GCD-based DPS kit.

[Stabegabe]

yeah because a highly coordinated team doing something cool is comparative to the rest of the player base. sure it is, anything is possible with enough effort. this is so cool and i commend them for doing it. i hope week one of Eden ultimate is cleared with no healers aswell, its cool to see. but you cant compare these raid teams to everyone else, that's just plain ol silly.

No, I disagree. First of all, we're talking about savage, something that's supposed to be high end content. If I choose to play a healer, and then enter high end content, I would expect to be challenged on my ability to heal. And the fact that people are able to clear this content with no healers should paint a very, VERY clear picture that square is failing to do that at all. Seriously, this is supposed to be the hard content. It should literally be mathematically impossible to do it without a healer. It's not about the fact that "oh this is a case of exceptional players clearing a challenge run," it's about the fact that it's even possible for them to do that in the first place

[ServerCollaps]

playerbase incompetent, make whole role into training wheels

thats how it works