M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[AnnRam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xINq44-heQc

Please discuss.

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And what's the issue? 99% of people can't do that

[Wyti]

And what's the issue? 99% of people can't do that

The issue is it being possible at all on week 2 of content release.
Pretty sure 99% of players haven't cleared M4S yet.

healer are already useless in most form on content, and know, in the hardest content in the game, on the second week, we are already shown that it is better to play with tanks instead.
Healers do the least damage in the game, are the most fragile role in the game, and their niche isn't even useful to the group since tank can do it + do better damage and be safer, what more do you need ?

[Raven2014]

Pretty sure 99% of players haven't cleared M4S yet.

healer are already useless in most form on content, and know, in the hardest content in the game, on the second week, we are already shown that it is better to play with tanks instead.

Uh ... aren't you contradicting yourself here?

This is like saying there is a problem with automatic transmission because professional drivers and racers use manual to get better efficiency, ignoring the fact most normal driver will be better off with automatic.

what more do you need ?

I say you need more perspective so the comparison can make sense.

[alfarini]

The issue is it being possible at all on week 2 of content release.
Pretty sure 99% of players haven't cleared M4S yet.

healer are already useless in most form on content, and know, in the hardest content in the game, on the second week, we are already shown that it is better to play with tanks instead.
Healers do the least damage in the game, are the most fragile role in the game, and their niche isn't even useful to the group since tank can do it + do better damage and be safer, what more do you need ?

yeah because a highly coordinated team doing something cool is comparative to the rest of the player base. sure it is, anything is possible with enough effort. this is so cool and i commend them for doing it. i hope week one of Eden ultimate is cleared with no healers aswell, its cool to see. but you cant compare these raid teams to everyone else, that's just plain ol silly.

[Stabegabe]

yeah because a highly coordinated team doing something cool is comparative to the rest of the player base. sure it is, anything is possible with enough effort. this is so cool and i commend them for doing it. i hope week one of Eden ultimate is cleared with no healers aswell, its cool to see. but you cant compare these raid teams to everyone else, that's just plain ol silly.

No, I disagree. First of all, we're talking about savage, something that's supposed to be high end content. If I choose to play a healer, and then enter high end content, I would expect to be challenged on my ability to heal. And the fact that people are able to clear this content with no healers should paint a very, VERY clear picture that square is failing to do that at all. Seriously, this is supposed to be the hard content. It should literally be mathematically impossible to do it without a healer. It's not about the fact that "oh this is a case of exceptional players clearing a challenge run," it's about the fact that it's even possible for them to do that in the first place

[alfarini]

No, I disagree. First of all, we're talking about savage, something that's supposed to be high end content. If I choose to play a healer, and then enter high end content, I would expect to be challenged on my ability to heal. And the fact that people are able to clear this content with no healers should paint a very, VERY clear picture that square is failing to do that at all. Seriously, this is supposed to be the hard content. It should literally be mathematically impossible to do it without a healer. It's not about the fact that "oh this is a case of exceptional players clearing a challenge run," it's about the fact that it's even possible in the first place

LMAO no. yeah sure lets give healers more of an excuse to have a god complex. "mathematically impossible" omfg get over yourself.

[Sivante]

LMAO no. yeah sure lets give healers more of an excuse to have a god complex. "mathematically impossible" omfg get over yourself.

They're correct, it should not be mathematically possible. At least, in a game designed to slot the appropriate roles it should not be possible. Either the game isn't balanced to those roles as it is currently, or they need to abandon the roles as they exist outright. This middle-ground stuff doesn't really work. And you can call these people 'elite' players all you want, but they did it without BIS, while the content was still piping fresh. Imagine what 'elite' players will do with BIS?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

LMAO no. yeah sure lets give healers more of an excuse to have a god complex. "mathematically impossible" omfg get over yourself.

Healers having a god complex or wanting an excuse for it? Mate, healers are begging for a place to be needed other than 3 out of 5 ultimates. If you think wanting to be needed is equal to living out a god complex, then you lost the plot. Take your own advice and get over yourself.

[Bobby66]

Healers having a god complex or wanting an excuse for it? Mate, healers are begging for a place to be needed other than 3 out of 5 ultimates. If you think wanting to be needed is equal to living out a god complex, then you lost the plot. Take your own advice and get over yourself.

Thing is I think most player still need healers to clear the content. What you are asking for is not to be needed cause as stated most players need healers to beat content. What you really want is more engaging content.

[Stabegabe]

LMAO no. yeah sure lets give healers more of an excuse to have a god complex. "mathematically impossible" omfg get over yourself.

Actually it's really just as simple as me wanting to heal more and have a more engaging role lmao.