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  1. #451
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    I see the same white knight in action.

    Ok, time for a bit of "history".

    In my country gay couple can officialy and legally marry. They have the exact same rights and advantage as an hetero couple. And this since the 17/05/2013 (more than 10 years). At that time people gave them genuine support and an overwhelming majority was ok with this.... The only voice that was completly against was the extremist of what is left of the catholic community : a very small minority.
    This law also made the adoption of kid possible for gay couple.

    But now, this same silent majority is treated like thash, insulted, labelled as racist, homophobe, violent sexist pig by the people they fully supported.
    And this just for voicing some critics, for not fully agreeing with thoses community.

    By doing that, thoses minority just ignited a time bomb, and right now you have not much time left to choose the right wire and defuse it before it blow up at your face.
    And especially in my country. Our history showed many time that, when the silence mass is fed up, she rise and become very loud.

    Now i will give you an exemple of what happen when your crossing the red line for good :
    In my country catholic was a very powerfull majority for more than a millennium. They pretty much rulled it.
    Until a bit more than 100 years ago when separation of the state and the church was proclamed.
    At time passed, they became a minority... But still a loud one, that government was still listenning... until 10 years ago, with the last nail in the coffin being 3 years ago.
    Now they are not only igored but, also, just completly dismissed. And when they start to be a little too much insistent they get a : "shut up, you are in no possition to lecture us"

    So do you really want that to happen to you, after all thoses decade, thoses century of suffering by being shunned, otracized, hunted, violented, imprisonned, murdered?
    If no, then start thinking of a way to fix your attitude, to fix the way you're doing things.... Because, right now, you are not on the good path.
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    Last edited by Lorika; 08-10-2024 at 03:47 AM.

  2. #452
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    phandaal's Avatar
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    Kyrtos Vance
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    Mateus
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    Second why should she being a transwoman play any part in her getting the Role. It wasnt part of the marketing and if Transphobe wouldnt make such a big fuss about it nobody would have known it. Heck even other trans people i know didnt knew about it before i told them that. So no this explanation doesnt make sense.
    We know why Sena got the role.

    Sena is the only non-latino cast to play a role for a character in Tuliyollal. Sena confirmed this. Did you know that?

    Were there no latina voice actors who might have wanted to perform the headline role for this expansion? Is that what you want to say?

    Given Sena's performance compared to other voice actors (not just compared to other countries - even other English Tuliyollal voice actors), are you going to say that Sena was cast as the one singular non-latino voice actor out of the entire Tuliyollal cast, based on talent? Sena was just so much better than every latina woman who auditioned for the role of Wuk Lamat?

    Please don't disrespect yourself by pretending to believe that.
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  3. #453
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    ArcSolaris's Avatar
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    Zooft Benson
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    Sophia
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    Gladiator Lv 30
    I won't pretend to understand what they are going through BUT...they did accept the job and must have known if they under-delivered and let's face it she wasn't very consistent, that the proverbial doo-doo was gonna hit the fan at lightspeed. Fans of FF are very protective of their game. Also even if they hit it out of the park there would have been critics. You can't please everyone. Unfortunately the character itself wasn't the best and with their Voice acting it escalated and grated on many people. Don't know any of their other work so can't say if it was just this job but she had to understand there would be consequences.
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  4. #454
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    YunBranwen's Avatar
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    K'yoko Ezra
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 92
    People are defiantly taking their dislike of a character too far.
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  5. #455
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    Ayalu's Avatar
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    Ayalu Jeji
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    ARR's voice acting sucked across the board, and people are more than willing to point that out, so that's not completely true. HOWEVER, DT had the entire expansion focus around a single character, and the VA still managed to phone it in. It's a huge problem because we literally had to listen to this F-Tier voice acting the entire expansion. That is why people are angry about it. It isn't ARR's occasional voice acting, especially since a lot of that was unvoiced. It's the entire 90-100 experience, voiced acted like that.
    I understand that but Sena also did other voice work that was fine otherwise she wouldnt be hired in multiple games.
    Even if we assume all these companies want a Trans voiceactress in specific its not like she is the online one available.

    And how Wuk Lamat is written is completly on the writers part (which in admit freely alos get flag in this forum)
    If she is misscast or only had bad direction or they didnt take retakes or what ever happend. The blame is also on the Voice Team.
    They would have needet to do more takes until it works or drop (i assume) demanded accent if that one makes more trouble.

    And all idendity things aside. If you (reader) would work in voice acting and you had the chance to be part of the largest MMORPG on the Planet wouldnt you take it? Especialy as Fan?
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  6. #456
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    Lizvette's Avatar
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    Lizvette Nyar
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 100
    unironically, someone linked kotaku

    my sides already have reached pluto orbits
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  7. #457
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    FlowerMilk's Avatar
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    Chamomile Tea
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    Cactuar
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    I see the same white knight in action.

    Ok, time for a bit of "history".

    In my country gay couple can officialy and legally marry. They have the exact same rights and advantage as an hetero couple. And this since the 17/05/2013 (more than 10 years). At that time people gave them genuine support and an overwhelming majority was ok with this.... The only voice that was completly against was the extremist of what is left of the catholic community : a very small minority.
    This law also made the adoption of kid possible for gay couple.

    But now, this same silent majority is treated like thash, insulted, labelled as racist, homophobe, violent sexist pig by the people they fully supported.
    And this just for voicing some critics, for not fully agreeing with thoses community.

    By doing that, thoses minority just ignited a time bomb, and right now you have not much time left to choose the right wire and defuse it before it blow up at your face.
    And especially in my country. Our history showed many time that, when the silence mass is fed up, she rise and become very loud.

    Now i will give you an exemple of what happen when your crossing the red line for good :
    In my country catholic was a very powerfull majority for more than a millennium. They pretty much rulled it.
    Until a bit more than 100 years ago when separation of the state and the church was proclamed.
    At time passed, they became a minority... But still a loud one, that government was still listenning... until 10 years ago, with the last nail in the coffin being 3 years ago.
    Now they are not only igored but, also, just completly dismissed. And when they start to be a little too much insistent they get a : "shut up, you are in no possition to lecture us"

    So do you really want that to happen to you, after all thoses decade, thoses century of suffering by being shunned, otracized, hunted, violented, imprisonned, murdered?
    If no, then start thinking of a way to fix your attitude, to fix the way you're doing things.... Because, right now, you are not on the good path.
    Yeah they're not even pretending that this is a discussion on criticism of the VA anymore lol, they're just straight up admitting it's about their hatred of queer people. Great job.
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  8. #458
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    Lyndina's Avatar
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    Lucie Bonney
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    Shiva
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizvette View Post
    unironically, someone linked kotaku

    my sides already have reached pluto orbits
    True...linking this trash side is a sign you shouldnt take that person serious at all.
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  9. #459
    Player Isala's Avatar
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Adamantoise
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    I understand that but Sena also did other voice work that was fine otherwise she wouldnt be hired in multiple games.
    Even if we assume all these companies want a Trans voiceactress in specific its not like she is the online one available.

    And how Wuk Lamat is written is completly on the writers part (which in admit freely alos get flag in this forum)
    If she is misscast or only had bad direction or they didnt take retakes or what ever happend. The blame is also on the Voice Team.
    They would have needet to do more takes until it works or drop (i assume) demanded accent if that one makes more trouble.

    And all idendity things aside. If you (reader) would work in voice acting and you had the chance to be part of the largest MMORPG on the Planet wouldnt you take it? Especialy as Fan?
    In the exact same situation, knowing that I'd be voicing a role that I professionally struggle with? No way. That'd be career suicide, knowing my limitations. I've turned down positions at work that I know I would struggle with, because it would kill my career to accept them.
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  10. #460
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    Midare's Avatar
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    Midare Dare
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    Famfrit
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    I hate her as a character but I hope we get more of her to drive these gross bigots away. Shame them until they leave. Yoshi P doesn't agree with these freaks and says trans rights, go away.
    The fact that you took what a japanese man said, someone living a completely different culture that views gender matters in a completely different light than the west, and you decided to slap a cheap western slogan while throwing names it's just incredibly funny to me.

    Please, never leave your US based bubble, your world-view will crumble and it will be rough.
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