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    I see the same white knight in action.

    Ok, time for a bit of "history".

    In my country gay couple can officialy and legally marry. They have the exact same rights and advantage as an hetero couple. And this since the 17/05/2013 (more than 10 years). At that time people gave them genuine support and an overwhelming majority was ok with this.... The only voice that was completly against was the extremist of what is left of the catholic community : a very small minority.
    This law also made the adoption of kid possible for gay couple.

    But now, this same silent majority is treated like thash, insulted, labelled as racist, homophobe, violent sexist pig by the people they fully supported.
    And this just for voicing some critics, for not fully agreeing with thoses community.

    By doing that, thoses minority just ignited a time bomb, and right now you have not much time left to choose the right wire and defuse it before it blow up at your face.
    And especially in my country. Our history showed many time that, when the silence mass is fed up, she rise and become very loud.

    Now i will give you an exemple of what happen when your crossing the red line for good :
    In my country catholic was a very powerfull majority for more than a millennium. They pretty much rulled it.
    Until a bit more than 100 years ago when separation of the state and the church was proclamed.
    At time passed, they became a minority... But still a loud one, that government was still listenning... until 10 years ago, with the last nail in the coffin being 3 years ago.
    Now they are not only igored but, also, just completly dismissed. And when they start to be a little too much insistent they get a : "shut up, you are in no possition to lecture us"

    So do you really want that to happen to you, after all thoses decade, thoses century of suffering by being shunned, otracized, hunted, violented, imprisonned, murdered?
    If no, then start thinking of a way to fix your attitude, to fix the way you're doing things.... Because, right now, you are not on the good path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    I see the same white knight in action.

    Ok, time for a bit of "history".

    In my country gay couple can officialy and legally marry. They have the exact same rights and advantage as an hetero couple. And this since the 17/05/2013 (more than 10 years). At that time people gave them genuine support and an overwhelming majority was ok with this.... The only voice that was completly against was the extremist of what is left of the catholic community : a very small minority.
    This law also made the adoption of kid possible for gay couple.

    But now, this same silent majority is treated like thash, insulted, labelled as racist, homophobe, violent sexist pig by the people they fully supported.
    And this just for voicing some critics, for not fully agreeing with thoses community.

    By doing that, thoses minority just ignited a time bomb, and right now you have not much time left to choose the right wire and defuse it before it blow up at your face.
    And especially in my country. Our history showed many time that, when the silence mass is fed up, she rise and become very loud.

    Now i will give you an exemple of what happen when your crossing the red line for good :
    In my country catholic was a very powerfull majority for more than a millennium. They pretty much rulled it.
    Until a bit more than 100 years ago when separation of the state and the church was proclamed.
    At time passed, they became a minority... But still a loud one, that government was still listenning... until 10 years ago, with the last nail in the coffin being 3 years ago.
    Now they are not only igored but, also, just completly dismissed. And when they start to be a little too much insistent they get a : "shut up, you are in no possition to lecture us"

    So do you really want that to happen to you, after all thoses decade, thoses century of suffering by being shunned, otracized, hunted, violented, imprisonned, murdered?
    If no, then start thinking of a way to fix your attitude, to fix the way you're doing things.... Because, right now, you are not on the good path.
    Yeah they're not even pretending that this is a discussion on criticism of the VA anymore lol, they're just straight up admitting it's about their hatred of queer people. Great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    Yeah they're not even pretending that this is a discussion on criticism of the VA anymore lol, they're just straight up admitting it's about their hatred of queer people. Great job.
    Allo,is there something between your ears? *echo* oh, i guess not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Allo,is there something between your ears? *echo* oh, i guess not.
    Self-awareness is not the forte of those who love to throw names around but complain when names are thrown back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post
    Self-awareness is not the forte of those who love to throw names around but complain when names are thrown back.
    Sincerily, i don't care.
    If they want to invalidate all valid crisisms and warning as "homophobia" they can do itfor all i care.

    After all, it's not me who lit the fire and will get the backdraft in the end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zackneifein View Post
    Far right, that isn't even against gay marriage, was kick in the butt during the last election where they were supposed to win with a large margin,
    When you don't know the context, you should'nt assume thing.
    The reason the right lost is simple : they are pulling the same sh*t that i was talking in this very same post for years now. People are fed up with them and thei crappy attitude.
    They got their punishement.

    Oh, BTW, i was voting right before Melanchon and the LFI party started stirring sh*t
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    When you don't know the context, you should'nt assume thing.
    The reason the right lost is simple : they are pulling the same sh*t that i was talking in this very same post for years now. People are fed up with them and thei crappy attitude.
    They got their punishement.

    Oh, BTW, i was voting right before Melanchon and the LFI party started stirring sh*t
    I don't know the context ? I'm French.
    They lost because even if they have grown in popularity, there is still a vast majority of french that will never vote for them, and prefered to report their vote for other candidate, even some they don't like at all, to prevent far right to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    Yeah they're not even pretending that this is a discussion on criticism of the VA anymore lol, they're just straight up admitting it's about their hatred of queer people. Great job.
    You said something similar to me once, but I appreciate what you're trying to do. I think what you have to see though is that it's simply not worth engaging with these people (yah, "these people" ).

    Report and move on. You'll notice that they get themselves in a frenzy whenever someone dares to challenge their nonsense. What happens when they're left to their own is that they eventually end up just going so far off topic with insane rants about minorities that it becomes very easy to simply report them. No engagement needed.

    There is no conversation to be had here, and as frustrating as it is to see outright hate speech being allowed on the official forums, you can't fight it if the mods refuse to intervene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    You'll notice that they get themselves in a frenzy whenever someone dares to challenge their nonsense.
    The absolute lack of self awareness in this comment is absolutely astounding... You literally have people foaming at the mouth whenever someone drops an 's' while referring to Sena. Screaming about how they need reported, how they're [long list of insults], how we deserve more Wuk Lamat just to make them suffer.

    Ya'll are an absolute joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    The absolute lack of self awareness in this comment is absolutely astounding... You literally have people foaming at the mouth whenever someone drops an 's' while referring to Sena. Screaming about how they need reported, how they're [long list of insults], how we deserve more Wuk Lamat just to make them suffer.

    Ya'll are an absolute joke.
    Tbf yeah. I just drop any attemp to speak with people about that topic. It's just nonsense. And now i start to understand, why my country is pushing anti-lgbt so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    Yeah they're not even pretending that this is a discussion on criticism of the VA anymore lol, they're just straight up admitting it's about their hatred of queer people. Great job.
    To be clear, and I can only speak for myself:

    What I feel is frustration for a sub-par product that I believe was delivered in part because someone who had no business being in the role got that role, and annoyance for being told that the sky is red when I can see that it is blue.

    If this actor had done a good job, nobody would have noticed. Since they did not do a good job, people went and figured out why they were there in the first place.

    Even if people really do just not like gay people (since apparently you can read their minds), that is a fact separate from whether or not Sena got hired for being transgender.
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    Last edited by phandaal; 08-10-2024 at 05:08 AM.

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