With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[Vensaval]

So as we can clearly see here by this giant post this guy typed out, and the many other posts in this thread, the criticisms of this VA are definitely just 100% about her job done as a voice actor and totally have nothing to do with her being trans.

Lmao you guys are so bad at hiding it.

For one thing, the "giant post" didn't even address the VA. They addressed people in general who adhere to this social movement that's been persisting for over a decade.

Second: If the VA wasn't an aggravating personality and their entire online presence didn't revolve around them being trans, most people wouldn't care about that. And the few that did would be rightfully ignored.

So, unfortunately due to the VA's own actions, not only does their poor performance in the MSQ get justifiably criticized, but the person behind the voice as well.

It's not transphobia. It's holding people accountable.

[phandaal]

So as we can clearly see here by this giant post this guy typed out, and the many other posts in this thread, the criticisms of this VA are definitely just 100% about her job done as a voice actor and totally have nothing to do with her being trans.

Lmao you guys are so bad at hiding it.

The English voice actor roles for characters in Tuliyollal all went to actors of latino/latina origin and appropriate age, except one: Wuk Lamat. Sena has confirmed this on Twitter.

Wuk Lamat, a young latina woman, was portrayed by a middle-aged, white, North American man.

The performer being a man is why they were unable to perform this role to the same quality as the actors for other localizations of this role. Again, confirmed by Sena on Twitter - it is very hard for a man to make the appropriate sounds needed to portray a woman's voice.

The performer being "transgender" is the reason he was cast in a role that he had no business performing, and presumably how he took the place of a latina voice actor who probably would have done a better job. The performances of voice actors from other locales confirms that the actor can at least do her best even if the story is bad.

Nobody cares anymore that we are not supposed to be allowed to notice these things, and nobody is sorry for noticing it.

[Donoman]

The words spoken in this thread have plenty of meaning. You just refuse to listen to the ones you don't like.

Engage in a meaningful discussion? Wait, it's not going in your favor.

"MODS!!! Shut it down!!!"

What meaningful discussion? The thread is just turning into people ranting against the LGBTQ+ community, and it's not a good look. I didn't expect every comment to have sympathy for the VA, but my god I didn't expect it to be this bad. None of this belongs here, especially since it doesn't even have anything to do with the game. Most of us do not want to argue with hateful people like this because we've done it in the past and it goes nowhere. Like, why are these people sharing their anecdotes that have nothing to do the VA or any of us, and then using them to judge the LGBTQ+ community as a whole? It's so wild.

[Rueby]

So as we can clearly see here by this giant post this guy typed out, and the many other posts in this thread, the criticisms of this VA are definitely just 100% about her job done as a voice actor and totally have nothing to do with her being trans.

Lmao you guys are so bad at hiding it.

They were responding to your response to someone ELSE which didn't even involve the VA at all. Stop taking things out of context to try and churn out a narrative. It's such a bad look.

[Isala]

What meaningful discussion? The thread is just turning into people ranting against the LGBTQ+ community, and it's not a good look. I didn't expect every comment to have sympathy for the VA, but my god I didn't expect it to be this bad. None of this belongs here, especially since it doesn't even have anything to do with the game. Most of us do not want to argue with hateful people like this because we've done it in the past and it goes nowhere. Like, why are these people sharing their anecdotes that have nothing to do the VA or any of us, and then using them to judge the LGBTQ+ community as a whole? It's so wild.

The VA made it about the LGBTQ community, when she played the victim card of "I'm getting hate for my performance because I'm trans!" Literally nobody in game would have known, or cared, if her performance wasn't trash. SHE decided to take valid criticisms of her dog water performance, and make it about her identity. So if that's how she wants to play, that's how people are going to play. You don't get to double standard this.

[Ayalu]

The VA made it about the LGBTQ community, when she played the victim card of "I'm getting hate for my performance because I'm trans!" Literally nobody in game would have known, or cared, if her performance wasn't trash. SHE decided to take valid criticisms of her dog water performance, and make it about her identity. So if that's how she wants to play, that's how people are going to play. You don't get to double standard this.

Judging from this and other threads....Sena seem to have a point tho.
As other said bevor FF14 has a lot of subpar voice actors and never was it that much of a problem.
And people like to ignore that there are Voice Directors in such projects and those play a important role.
Which likes to get ignored in the conversation completly as if only Sena was part of the process.

[Amecoeur]

I really hope Wuk gets deleted as soon as possible so we can move on from this disastrous expansion.

These threads in FFXIV forums and westerners' discussions surrounding sexual orientations and genders yield no merits towards humanity's advancement and progress.

[Isala]

Judging from this and other threads....Sena seem to have a point tho.
As other said bevor FF14 has a lot of subpar voice actors and never was it that much of a problem.
And people like to ignore that there are Voice Directors in such projects and those play a important role.
Which likes to get ignored in the conversation completly as if only Sena was part of the process.

ARR's voice acting sucked across the board, and people are more than willing to point that out, so that's not completely true. HOWEVER, DT had the entire expansion focus around a single character, and the VA still managed to phone it in. It's a huge problem because we literally had to listen to this F-Tier voice acting the entire expansion. That is why people are angry about it. It isn't ARR's occasional voice acting, especially since a lot of that was unvoiced. It's the entire 90-100 experience, voiced acted like that.

[Reinha]

Also Transphobie defined as social aversion or hostility (aggression) towards transgender people.

Aversion is defined as a strong dislike or disinclination. So why is the term transphobe attributed to people who are not hostile, aggressive nor dislike trans people, but do not share the belief that being a man (adult male human being) or a woman (adult female human being) is a matter of identity?

[FlowerMilk]

I really hope Wuk gets deleted as soon as possible so we can move on from this disastrous expansion.

These threads in FFXIV forums and westerners' discussions surrounding sexual orientations and genders yield no merits towards humanity's advancement and progress.

I hate her as a character but I hope we get more of her to drive these gross bigots away. Shame them until they leave. Yoshi P doesn't agree with these freaks and says trans rights, go away.

To touch on the second part of your question about gender restrictions, first and foremost, I think there should be freedom in your values when it comes to the different genders. We don’t want to restrict attire and clothing that you wear based on characters’ gender or sex.

Let me give an example: I was heading to the office on a Saturday and I saw a situation that made me very sad. I was trying to go into the office and I was waiting at a red light. I saw a high schooler coming from the other side of the road in their school uniform. It seemed that they were biologically male at birth but they were wearing a sailor fuku, which is traditionally female attire. In Japanese high schools, there’s more and more schools that are accommodating for freedom of not being restricted to a specific gender for your uniform...That person probably wanted to present the gender they identified with in their heart...On the other side of the road was a mother and a daughter. The daughter was perhaps 5 years old. As soon as the mother saw the high schooler, she shielded her daughter as if she didn’t want her daughter to see. The high schooler must have been very hurt. Situations like these still happen and there’s areas where there’s not as much understanding.

That being said, we want to address this, and I think it will be gradual...For instance, for the Ceremony of Eternal Bonding, we’ve already started to make adjustments. Once we officially release this, you won’t have gender restrictions. If you both wanted to wear a dress, that’s perfectly fine. If you want to both wear the tuxedo, that would also be fine...That’s not available in game yet, but we have done the preparations for it.

https://kotaku.com/we-took-a-bold-st...ect-1835098319