Viper Changes Thread - Share your thoughts

[Mondschnee]

I just wanted to add that two content creators have now spoken out about their disappointment in the viper changes.
And while CC's opinions shouldn't matter more than any other players, I hope these videos grab the dev's attention because they sum up what many people have been saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLUs..._channel=Rinon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvk6...=BraxophoneXIV

[DemiBajamut]

I just wanted to add that two content creators have now spoken out about their disappointment in the viper changes.
And while CC's opinions shouldn't matter more than any other players, I hope these videos grab the dev's attention because they sum up what many people have been saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLUs..._channel=Rinon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvk6...=BraxophoneXIV

I agree with these videos, replying here to show my support for them to bring back Noxious Gnash. Also... maybe bring back the names "Dreadwinder" and "Pit of Dread" too while you're at it? Vicewinder and Vicepit sounds really lame in comparison.

Also gonna copy and paste my reply I made in another post about Viper's changes:
I was really enjoying this job, it was simple and easy but there was still a little bit you could do to optimize, and now that's gone. I find it ridiculous the job has barely been out and they already did a rework like this. It feels insulting having my favorite job in Endwalker, Monk, have every step of it's 1-2-3 combo turn into leaden fist and now when I moved on and was enjoying Viper, they do this.

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I was expecting to hate the viper changes since I really liked managing Noxious Gnash, but honestly I think the job feels better to play and is just as fun without debuff management in most situations. My main gripe is that both the first and second hits of your filler combo just alternate between one and the other, which can feel a bit static. I think I'd like to see something like "Using Reaving Fangs gives two stacks of Honed Steel, consuming both stacks of Honed Steel gives one stack of Honed Reavers" just to spice up our filler rotation a bit (although I'm biased because I also really like monk and this would just make viper's filler more similar to monk's). I'd also like to see more ways to spend Rattling Coils added to give us more decisions to make about how to spend them, maybe something like a jumping attack with a long animation lock or a personal defensive that consumes a Rattling Coil but gives it back if you take damage, but that's probably something that would have to be added in a future expansion. Overall I still love viper, but I would like it even more if we had more meaningful decisions to make

[Wolf_Heartnet]

I was expecting to hate the viper changes since I really liked managing Noxious Gnash, but honestly I think the job feels better to play and is just as fun without debuff management in most situations. My main gripe is that both the first and second hits of your filler combo just alternate between one and the other, which can feel a bit static. I think I'd like to see something like "Using Reaving Fangs gives two stacks of Honed Steel, consuming both stacks of Honed Steel gives one stack of Honed Reavers" just to spice up our filler rotation a bit (although I'm biased because I also really like monk and this would just make viper's filler more similar to monk's). I'd also like to see more ways to spend Rattling Coils added to give us more decisions to make about how to spend them, maybe something like a jumping attack with a long animation lock or a personal defensive that consumes a Rattling Coil but gives it back if you take damage, but that's probably something that would have to be added in a future expansion. Overall I still love viper, but I would like it even more if we had more meaningful decisions to make

agreed. current iteration of Viper is a massive improvement over the old viper.