Viper Changes Thread - Share your thoughts

[Kossuel]

I've made these points in different places but I'll put my thoughts on here too:

The change was unnecessary and overall served to make certain parts of the job feel worse. Dreadwinder, or whatever it's called now, now feels like it serves no interesting purpose because all it does is open a couple strong damage GCDs whereas before it was a fun tool to optimize Noxious Gnash uptime.

I'm noticing that in this thread there's a lot of arguing over whether or not NG uptime is considered a valid form of skill expression and my response to it is "If it wasn't difficult, why did Square feel the need to change it?" There's too much focus on the argument of whether or not it should've existed as a form of job maintenance that people are ignoring that, much like other things lost over the years, it's just another job mechanic that is removed and replaced with nothing. I've been playing XIV for the better part of 10 years, and this slow removal of mechanical maintenance and upkeep is what got us to the point that Square needs to make a statement about how jobs will totally have their identity back by 8.0.

The TL;DR is that while it wasnt the most engaging thing to utilize, it was a small bit of kit that ultimately made the job feel somewhat complete, and now that it's gone there's a lack of overall fun feel to the job as a whole. One of the things I miss most about XIV's job design is that feeling of constant fight maintenance. If people were genuinely that annoyed by it being on a 20/40 second timer, swapping it to a 30/60 timer would've fixed it for everyone without the need to remove a bit of what made the job enjoyable.

[Komarimono]

Other jobs also have status effects to watch, for example, NIN or BLM and others.
VPR still have 2 status effects to watch, even though it is much easier, but if you not watching them means you are just a beginner and this doesn't apply to you and you do not need it to play VPR on a casual level, so why are you even writing here? You would do fine with Noxious Gnash because it doesn't matter on your level.

Viper had one status effect to watch. The two buffs come automatically when played right, focusing on the GCD one on fight initiation.

Funny you're calling be the beginner here lol, been playing the game for some time now.

[SeaJae]

Viper had one status effect to watch. The two buffs come automatically when played right, focusing on the GCD one on fight initiation.

Funny you're calling be the beginner here lol, been playing the game for some time now.

Idk where people get off on acting like they are an authority on a job when there's receipts available on the internet that show, that in fact, they are far from it.
All job mechanics are simple when you don't play the job correctly.

[Komarimono]

Idk where people get off on acting like they are an authority on a job when there's receipts available on the internet that show, that in fact, they are far from it.
All job mechanics are simple when you don't play the job correctly.

And the job was never hard, ever. Implying keeping up a debuff took skill can be seen in many ways, most not good.

[Socram]

I hate this change so much. The job became "follow the glowing button" so literally now that you can turn your brain off

[GenghisChimp]

I'm so confused, who are these changes for? Viper really has nothing going for it now asides from being high apm. People (mostly jokingly) before said that this job was just following the dotted line, but that is genuinely all you do now lmfao. I'm very disappointed with these changes.

Congrats SE, you've appealed to very few people who were bad at Viper, instead of the many Viper players who loved this job before.

[einschwartz]

Oh bummer!
My VPR may only be Lv92 before patch, and I'm never great at playing melee myself; but the changes sucks. It's even more disgusting that now it even highlights the first button as you alternate between combos. There's no thought process needed while playing apart from positionals. Just press the glowing button and have zero worries about buff upkeep.

I dislike it. 1 month is really so short to be changing a NEW job like this.

[Colt47]

Oh bummer!
My VPR may only be Lv92 before patch, and I'm never great at playing melee myself; but the changes sucks. It's even more disgusting that now it even highlights the first button as you alternate between combos. There's no thought process needed while playing apart from positionals. Just press the glowing button and have zero worries about buff upkeep.

I dislike it. 1 month is really so short to be changing a NEW job like this.

No! It's not working the way you think! The highlighting does NOT tell you what to use next. The highlighting states what has a potency buff or what limited skill is available to use! That is why the change is bad because it is deliberately sabotaging the learning experience on how to dps on viper. The fundamental rule of DPS jobs is to use limited resources first ahead of common resources. If I have an ability with two charges and it has double the potency of a primary GCD, the idea is to use that skill first. However, once someone is in the throw of the main GCD cycle, that information gets lost because the highlighting is going to keep highlighting one or another skill on the main GCD plus the OGCD attached to them. So what happens is that people miss using the important skills. That was my experience going through the target dummy test and the expert roulette. On top of which, forcing myself around that problem by actively paying attention to cooldown buttons and changing the layout of the hot bars to compensate resulted in getting hit by easily dodge-able attacks. If the job were a bit slower paced this might work okay: An example would be dancer since they generally have a slower pattern except on the dance steps. But it is pretty clear Viper wasn't designed for this current iteration.

[Zytoryu]

Very disappointed in these changes myself. I don't dislike Viper without Noxious Gnash by any means but I do think it was a very cruel rug pull when everyone was expecting to lose Dreadwinder Positionals instead. Absolutely awful communication on their part.
Would hope to see it reversed personally.

[Phlurg]

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