We cannot achieve balance while DPS jobs have utilities

[Supersnow845]

DNC and bard is already a support job

The self dps of them are so low to the point where some tanks could achieve their damage

It is so impiguise to play dps job then you find out the job is actually a support

That what happened to me when I start playing ffxiv as archer

Bard as support job didn't fit me so I immediately change the class

DNC and BRD both “support” in the sense they have large buffs that contribute to their rDPS but also have effects that increase their pDPS, they are still 75% carried by their pDPS. If this is your idea of support then you really aren’t changing anything except enforcing 2 selfish jobs and 2 “support jobs” as we currently know them (ie jobs that have non interactive raid buffs they just press because they exist). If you do it this way you need to rip raid buffs out of some jobs that have them because right now it’s 4/9 in favour of raid buffs

True support (ie near zero pDPS potentially zero rDPS as well built entirely around buffs, support and debuffs is an entirely different thing

[Tunda]

DNC and BRD both “support” in the sense they have large buffs that contribute to their rDPS but also have effects that increase their pDPS, they are still 75% carried by their pDPS. If this is your idea of support then you really aren’t changing anything except enforcing 2 selfish jobs and 2 “support jobs” as we currently know them (ie jobs that have non interactive raid buffs they just press because they exist). If you do it this way you need to rip raid buffs out of some jobs that have them because right now it’s 4/9 in favour of raid buffs

True support (ie near zero pDPS potentially zero rDPS as well built entirely around buffs, support and debuffs is an entirely different thing

We don't need true support

We learn from the past true healers are boring 1 dot and 1 glare isn't fun

It is OK to mix and match 2 kits in 1 job as tanks for example

Paladin / warrior / gunbreaker
Are great in their kit 50% dps and 50% tank skills with some party utility

We don't want to replicate healers situation again..
It is OK to have some dpa rotation with 50% support kit