Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[Wolf_Heartnet]

My opinion is simply... its a roulette. You don't get to pick and choose the strategy or your party members. People que in for different reasons and may not have patience to wait for someone to learn a fight. If you don't like it, you can attempt to kick them and if the kick fails then deal with it and que with pre-mades in future. You may not like them locking u out of the fight and finishing it solo but it seems like they dont want their time being wasted.

Not to sh1t on good or bad players. Im just saying that PUG's aren't an ideal way of completing content with specific goals. Pre-mades are better for that cause you gotta deal with what u get in duty finder.

[Supersnow845]

My opinion is simply... its a roulette. You don't get to pick and choose the strategy or your party members. People que in for different reasons and may not have patience to wait for someone to learn a fight. If you don't like it, you can attempt to kick them and if the kick fails then deal with it and que with pre-mades in future. You may not like them locking u out of the fight and finishing it solo but it seems like they dont want their time being wasted.

Not to sh1t on good or bad players. Im just saying that PUG's aren't an ideal way of completing content with specific goals. Pre-mades are better for that cause you gotta deal with what u get in duty finder.

This concept only works if we had any power to deny someone the right to solo the boss if the party doesn’t want it

If there was a vote force wipe the other party members could instigate on the offending tank if they want to wipe then they should have that choice

The whole problem with this tank soloing business is you are literally held hostage, you can’t leave, you can’t kick them, you can’t do anything besides wait for them or fully quit the game

[Asako]

This is the thing, the posters on here crying make it out like every single Tank does this when if you're lucky you'll see it once a month.

Healers have so much healing now that in normal modes or dungeons there is absolutely no excuse for letting your teammates die outside of one shot mechanics or getting hit with several things at once. Rez is at 40s with a swiftcast. What has possibly gone so wrong that you have 5-7 dead teammates in your party and somehow the blame is now on the Tank?

DPS, melee especially have a lot of self sustain now also and they can survive for several minutes also without a healer via potions/bloodbath/2nd Wind and other abilities. They also should not be dying to basic mechanics but no one says anything to them when they die.

Instead of flaming your Tanks for not dying, try asking your healers and DPS what went wrong and try to correct it instead. Did they use their self sustain? Did they use their mitigation? Most of the time you'll find the answer is no. You rarely see Addle or Feint up for raidwides, even when they know the damage will kill them, but they will absolutely be the first ones in chat to start complaining. When's the last time most of you used potions?

No one is holding you hostage, you just make yourself victims. It's not the same thing. If you don't like it leave and be done with it. You'll find hostages in real life just don't have the option to just leave when they don't like something, so stop calling it something it's not. Do the mechanics properly and you'll increase your chances of surviving. It's not a hard game, new stuff will trip you up and that's absolutely fine but you should never be dying to simple mechanics you were shown in ARR/HW. Catch yourselves on. How are you not embarrassed to show your faces on here complaining like 5 year olds. Shocking stuff.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

This concept only works if we had any power to deny someone the right to solo the boss if the party doesn’t want it

If there was a vote force wipe the other party members could instigate on the offending tank if they want to wipe then they should have that choice

The whole problem with this tank soloing business is you are literally held hostage, you can’t leave, you can’t kick them, you can’t do anything besides wait for them or fully quit the game

I get you. But my answer is just do pre-mades if you don't want to run into that or play the tank yourself. If you don't want to, thats fine but my opinion remains the same. Its a pug so u just gotta deal with it.

[Reinha]

No one is holding you hostage, you just make yourself victims. It's not the same thing. If you don't like it leave and be done with it. You'll find hostages in real life just don't have the option to just leave when they don't like something, so stop calling it something it's not.

Can't leave whilst in combat.

[TBerry]

Can't leave whilst in combat.

Can leave if you revive, which is what you need to do anyway if everyone except the tank is dead.

... You didn't forget about that, did you?

[Bobby66]

So following along from this logic it’s my right to just run off the edge of the map at the start of the fight with the expectation the tank won’t want to reset and so will kill the boss for me?

Yeah that is within your right, but in your that case if you refuse to accept the rez or something the group could report you for willfully not playing, now if you took the raise and kept doing it. Meh, outside of you saying something in chat or having an established pattern doubt even a GM would say what you are doing is inherently wrong since you could just say you are a bad player for whatever reason.

It is DF you run into all types, you are free to do what you want if it falls within the rules and the party does not remove you. Though the difference between the tank is they are actively playing, while in your case you are actively not playing which I do think is against the ToS if it can be proven but I do get that such a thing is hard to prove just like it would be hard to prove the tank is finishing the fight to troll their group.

Ah what a choice:

Sit there actively feeling your braincells die while watching a guy get his rocks off on soloing a boss for 15m or take a 30m penalty.

Which would you choose?

Would either watch something else while I wait, or I eat the timer just depends on what I am feeling in the moment.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that person and most of the other people who play tank that enjoy this sort of thing have never actually played tank in an encounter that requires them to actually help their party members to clear.

How do you define help? Like being in a static and stuff? Yeah I am in one. If I don't want to deal with the random nature of DF I would queue with friends instead of complain about the people you get in DF.

[LyraShu]

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Lol, lmao even.

Tank: *sticks nose up in air* "Yes you simpletons, talk amongst yourselves on the ground while I, THE TANK HERO, go to fight the boss" *skips into puddle*

See, the things is that this is a party game. No one should have this much of a grand mindset. We are generally here to have fun and if mistake happen, then oh well. I am happy when I get to work along side my tank, but seriously that kind of mindset can go kick rocks.

I do hope you have a good day though! Oh! And Asako is a really pretty name, "Morning child" is the meaning and it is lovely.

[Plumerian_Ariadust]

The whole problem with this tank soloing business is you are literally held hostage, you can’t leave, you can’t kick them, you can’t do anything besides wait for them or fully quit the game

You could also
1) Pull out your phone, post [SE pls. These tanks are holding us hostages, send help] on twitter, and watch the shitstorm
OR
2) Adopt a dont care attitude and browse cat memes while someone is having their hero moment.

[TBerry]

I'm going to reveal the secret cheat code to avoid this.
People were mad and tried to stop me, but I won't budge!

Are you ready?
Here it comes:

/fc Hey I'm going to run [insert here], anyone wanna join?