Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[Tint]

See guys? See how virtuous we are? The other side are horrible people, stupid people, but not us! We're correct and enlightened individuals who are always right. Who needs to even try to remotely understand the other side anyways? All their points are garbage and so are they.

It's called the "Paradox of tolerance". You can't be tolerant about intolerant people or the intolerant people will win at the end. So you have to be intolerant about them to keep a tolerant society.

It's basically how the nazis took over germany: They were tolerated. And then it was too late.

[Zabuza]

It's called the "Paradox of tolerance". You can't be tolerant about intolerant people or the intolerant people will win at the end. So you have to be intolerant about them to keep a tolerant society.

It's basically how the nazis took over germany: They were tolerated. And then it was too late.

And how do you know that they are intolerant? Is it because they are saying blatant, genuinely racist/sexist things? Or is it because they believe trans people shouldn't be competing in women's sports? Or that they believe DEI hires exist? Or that they believe in meritocracy instead of Affirmative Action? The criteria for labelling someone a bigot is much looser nowadays. Probably anyone voicing any of the opinions I just put forth would get them labelled as a bigot nowadays, instead of warranting any actual good faith discussion.

[Rotpecra]

And how do you know that they are intolerant? Is it because they are saying blatant, genuinely racist/sexist things? Or is it because they believe trans people shouldn't be competing in women's sports? Or that they believe DEI hires exist? Or that they believe in meritocracy instead of Affirmative Action? The criteria for labelling someone a bigot is much looser nowadays. Probably anyone voicing any of the opinions I just put forth would get them labelled as a bigot nowadays, instead of warranting any actual good faith discussion.

im glad all this bickering is really restricted to the internet. irl everyone behaves normally.

[Zabuza]

im glad all this bickering is really restricted to the internet. irl everyone behaves normally.

Many people just keep it under wraps. Especially those who don't agree with certain aspects of the LGBTQ agenda, because they know they will be punished and immediately labelled as a bigot. Even if they want to have a good faith, nuanced discussion, they would probably get reprimanded or fired from their job, or have family/friends scream at them and possibly even cut ties with them for wanting to have a discussion about these things that challenges the western societal accepted worldview.

[Rotpecra]

Many people just keep it under wraps. Especially those who don't agree with certain aspects of the LGBTQ agenda, because they know they will be punished and immediately labelled as a bigot. Even if they want to have a good faith, nuanced discussion, they would probably get reprimanded or fired from their job, or have family/friends scream at them and possibly even cut ties with them for wanting to have a discussion about these things that challenges the western societal accepted worldview.

thats how its always been though. before the internet. the most outrageous news or people were restricted to newspapers and television. never in your real life daily circle. aside from maybe a boss who treated their female workers terribly

[Reinha]

Many people just keep it under wraps. Especially those who don't agree with certain aspects of the LGBTQ agenda, because they know they will be punished and immediately labelled as a bigot. Even if they want to have a good faith, nuanced discussion, they would probably get reprimanded or fired from their job, or have family/friends scream at them and possibly even cut ties with them for wanting to have a discussion about these things that challenges the western societal accepted worldview.

There are public thoughts and private thoughts. When people have something to lose, you'll only see their public thoughts. And when they are truly able to be themselves, like on anonymous platforms or in private with like minded people, that's when you can see their private thoughts. Punishment and moderation will only ever impact what kind of public opinions people express, but what people are actually thinking can not be policed.