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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai View Post
    Tolerance is very simple to understand. Very simple to execute.

    Tolerance is a social contract. It is a social protection. It means "accept people however they are".
    If you break it, then the social contract no longer applies to you. This also means you lose its protections. Entirely, unequivocally, until you regain the tolerance for the social contract.

    The FIRST ONE to break the social contract, loses that protection. People that bully and discriminate the FIRST ONE because they break it, are not really breaking the social contract themselves, because the FIRST ONE voluntarily removed any right they have for tolerating their views.

    Let's say we have a person called Z. Z says "I don't like X". X is a person. X didn't do any crimes. X didn't do anything wrong. X didn't physically nor mentally harm anyone. X didn't dislike another person. X just merely exists.
    It means that Z is intolerant. The whole dang alphabet goes after Z for being a crappy intolerant person. Z tries to defend themselves with "omg you're all so intolerant", but they're mistaken. Because Z's dislike to X is intolerance, and they threw the first stone. And we don't have to tolerate intolerance as a tolerant society.

    And "nuance" is not a concept in tolerance. Either you tolerate, or you do not. Adhere to the social contract, or do not.
    Anyone who tries to say differently is just trying to create wiggle room where they can treat people differently based on a random bias based on arbitrary specifications, and I see no reason to negotiate with these people. You need no wiggle room, that wiggle room is only for nefarious purposes to drive a wedge between people.
    No I am sorry, the social contract is not as simple as you make it out to be. I will disprove this with examples.

    Example A

    I'll start with the most direct one. A CIS Straight White Male(Person A) playing FFXIV thinks the voice actor for the main character in Dawntrail did a terrible job voice acting. They later find out after reading through the forum that the voice actor was trans. They don't hate trans people themselves, and may even have trans friends, but they also believe that DEI hiring practices exist, and know of things such as ESG where these companies get funding from powerful, wealthy firms and individuals for upping their ESG score. They then conclude that this trans person was a DEI hire, not because they hate trans people, but because they have a strong belief that DEI hiring practices exist. They now voice this in a discussion board, but you would immediately label them as a bigot, no? Because how do they convey to you that they believe the voice actor was a DEI hire and their performance was genuinely terrible?

    Example B

    A CIS White person is a supervisor at a company. Upon going through metrics, he notices that an LGBTQ person has terrible numbers and customers are complaining about them. He warns the LGBTQ person that they need to improve their performace soon or there will be consequences. The LGBTQ person's performance does not improve and he has to fire them. Upon which point they take the supervisor to HR saying the reason they were fired is because the supervisor is a bigot and hates their minority status. Would this then make the supervisor a bigot in your eyes?

    Example C

    A trans person is allowed to fight a woman in an MMA match and gives her permanent injuries. A group of people emerges that protests and strongly disagrees with trans people being allowed to compete against CIS women. Does that make this group of people bigoted?

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    See the problem is that the term 'bigot' is used way too loosely nowadays and often with the intent to silence CIS Straight White individuals or people who disagree with the LGBTQ agenda. So no, the social contract is not that simple and yes, it is nuanced.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmorfaVex View Post
    Kudos to you!

    That is a mic drop post if I ever saw one.

    I truly believe if more people were as insightful as you that the world would be a better place.

    Its a shame the radicals from both sides have to tarnish everything with their bile and hate.

    Thank you.
    You're welcome. I wish someday we could all have civil discussions without dehumanizing the other side. I acknowledge that the other side can have their own hatred too, of course. Really we should not be striving for either extreme, but a middle ground.
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    Last edited by Zabuza; 08-05-2024 at 07:18 AM.