Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[Chiru_Kai]

See? It's okay to refer to a group of people as 'your kind' and 'like you' and say 'I don't have to be inclusive towards you' when it's a person you disagree with. Who needs to try to actually have a discussion with and try to understand their opinion anyways? It's much easier to just label them as the bad guy so you can completely dismiss them as a person. Clearly, in 100% of cases, anyone who uses the word woke is an evil bigot. We, the party of inclusivity, are always right and the good guys and every person who disagrees with us is scum and subhuman. I'm not the bigot for using bigoted language myself like 'your kind'! I'm the good guy!

Please also see below Exhibit B for how we treat people who come out openly about how they were harassed and stalked by an LGBTQ person.




See guys? See how virtuous we are? The other side are horrible people, stupid people, but not us! We're correct and enlightened individuals who are always right. Who needs to even try to remotely understand the other side anyways? All their points are garbage and so are they.

Translation:
"I'm such a victim of voicing my crappy opinion that people don't like sadface.jpeg"

Maybe don't have crappy, intolerant opinions, targeting people who only exist and do nothing to diminish your experience of life, work, etc.
Well unless of course your general experience of life and work and etc. is along the lines of "treat others who-are-not-like-me like crap and have it be acceptable".
Which is kinda what the group of of tolerance and inclusivity is trying to get rid of.

You CAN be a cis-white-straight person. Nobody cares. Just don't be a wuss about it and voice crappy opinions when people are different than you.

[Rotpecra]

Translation:
"I'm such a victim of voicing my crappy opinion that people don't like sadface.jpeg"

Maybe don't have crappy, intolerant opinions, targeting people who only exist and do nothing to diminish your experience of life, work, etc.
Well unless of course your general experience of life and work and etc. is along the lines of "treat others who-are-not-like-me like crap and have it be acceptable".
Which is kinda what the group of of tolerance and inclusivity is trying to get rid of.

You CAN be a cis-white-straight person. Nobody cares. Just don't be a wuss about it and voice crappy opinions when people are different than you.

you and your "holier than thou" attitude


get off your high horse.

[Zabuza]

Tolerance is very simple to understand. Very simple to execute.

Tolerance is a social contract. It is a social protection. It means "accept people however they are".
If you break it, then the social contract no longer applies to you. This also means you lose its protections. Entirely, unequivocally, until you regain the tolerance for the social contract.

The FIRST ONE to break the social contract, loses that protection. People that bully and discriminate the FIRST ONE because they break it, are not really breaking the social contract themselves, because the FIRST ONE voluntarily removed any right they have for tolerating their views.

Let's say we have a person called Z. Z says "I don't like X". X is a person. X didn't do any crimes. X didn't do anything wrong. X didn't physically nor mentally harm anyone. X didn't dislike another person. X just merely exists.
It means that Z is intolerant. The whole dang alphabet goes after Z for being a crappy intolerant person. Z tries to defend themselves with "omg you're all so intolerant", but they're mistaken. Because Z's dislike to X is intolerance, and they threw the first stone. And we don't have to tolerate intolerance as a tolerant society.

And "nuance" is not a concept in tolerance. Either you tolerate, or you do not. Adhere to the social contract, or do not.
Anyone who tries to say differently is just trying to create wiggle room where they can treat people differently based on a random bias based on arbitrary specifications, and I see no reason to negotiate with these people. You need no wiggle room, that wiggle room is only for nefarious purposes to drive a wedge between people.

No I am sorry, the social contract is not as simple as you make it out to be. I will disprove this with examples.

Example A

I'll start with the most direct one. A CIS Straight White Male(Person A) playing FFXIV thinks the voice actor for the main character in Dawntrail did a terrible job voice acting. They later find out after reading through the forum that the voice actor was trans. They don't hate trans people themselves, and may even have trans friends, but they also believe that DEI hiring practices exist, and know of things such as ESG where these companies get funding from powerful, wealthy firms and individuals for upping their ESG score. They then conclude that this trans person was a DEI hire, not because they hate trans people, but because they have a strong belief that DEI hiring practices exist. They now voice this in a discussion board, but you would immediately label them as a bigot, no? Because how do they convey to you that they believe the voice actor was a DEI hire and their performance was genuinely terrible?

Example B

A CIS White person is a supervisor at a company. Upon going through metrics, he notices that an LGBTQ person has terrible numbers and customers are complaining about them. He warns the LGBTQ person that they need to improve their performace soon or there will be consequences. The LGBTQ person's performance does not improve and he has to fire them. Upon which point they take the supervisor to HR saying the reason they were fired is because the supervisor is a bigot and hates their minority status. Would this then make the supervisor a bigot in your eyes?

Example C

A trans person is allowed to fight a woman in an MMA match and gives her permanent injuries. A group of people emerges that protests and strongly disagrees with trans people being allowed to compete against CIS women. Does that make this group of people bigoted?

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See the problem is that the term 'bigot' is used way too loosely nowadays and often with the intent to silence CIS Straight White individuals or people who disagree with the LGBTQ agenda. So no, the social contract is not that simple and yes, it is nuanced.

Kudos to you!

That is a mic drop post if I ever saw one.

I truly believe if more people were as insightful as you that the world would be a better place.

Its a shame the radicals from both sides have to tarnish everything with their bile and hate.

Thank you.

You're welcome. I wish someday we could all have civil discussions without dehumanizing the other side. I acknowledge that the other side can have their own hatred too, of course. Really we should not be striving for either extreme, but a middle ground.

[Rotpecra]

the voice actor for the main character in Dawntrail did a terrible job voice acting.

(yelling) "listen to me .. "

how do you fail to perform a yelling line. must be an amateur VA or something. how did they land a final fantasy gig

[Chiru_Kai]

No I am sorry, the social contract is not as simple as you make it out to be. I will disprove this with examples.
[...]

(had to cut quote due to char limit lmao)

Example A is nonsense. You can dislike the voice acting and not make it about trans. I respect that opinion, it's completely valid and, even as an LGBTQ ally myself, I think the VA needs practice.
People who defend it as "omg you're just anti-trans" are the radicals you can ignore if you didn't start to make it about transgender in the first place. However if the argument is "their voice acting sucks BECAUSE they are trans", you are a bigot. Simple.

Example B does not make the supervisor a bigot if there is a proper paper trail, and the LGBTQ individual is abusing their minority status for preferable treatment. However, if the LGBTQ individual can prove that their supervisor made anti-LGBTQ comments they can absolutely use this in their defense even if their performance is still arguably bad. Conclusion is: don't make about being a minority, fully focus on performance, and make sure it is absolutely, 100% about nothing else. Simple. Basic human decency.

Example C is a known "fake outrage". Exaggeration and rarely happens ever, if at all. Lots of trans MtF women participate in women's sports and just can't beat cis women, but that fact is just conveniently ignored by the alt-right weirdos until a FtM trans does happen to win.
There's plenty of checks and regulations in place at the moment for such situations in the real world (meaning not the world that alt-right propaganda feeds people who follow it). Go look it up, if you dare to prove yourself wrong.

[Chiru_Kai]

you and your "holier than thou" attitude


get off your high horse.

Of course I'm holier than anyone who has the opinion of "I wanna treat other people like crap".
Basic human decency, morality, and ethics. Anyone that touches that or tries to erode it, is evil.

I don't *want* to treat intolerant folk like they're the scum of the earth. But hey, they're the ones that intentionally are intolerant and broke the social contract of tolerance first. So I'll have to show them what that is like, what they're trying to do to other people. If they don't like it, and cry about intolerance... they're just hypocritical. Able to dish out the intolerance to *insert minority group here* but unable to handle that intolerance themselves. And I think they're wussies because of it

[Rotpecra]

Of course I'm holier than anyone who has the opinion of "I wanna treat other people like crap".
Basic human decency, morality, and ethics. Anyone that touches that or tries to erode it, is evil.

I don't *want* to treat intolerant folk like they're the scum of the earth. But hey, they're the ones that intentionally are intolerant and broke the social contract of tolerance first. So I'll have to show them what that is like, what they're trying to do to other people. If they don't like it, and cry about intolerance... they're just hypocritical. Able to dish out the intolerance to *insert minority group here* but unable to handle that intolerance themselves. And I think they're wussies because of it

so do i need to be a voice actor to think someone is bad at voice acting

do i need to be a cook to think the foot tastes like garbage

i have ears. i have a mouth.