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    Tolerance is very simple to understand. Very simple to execute.

    Tolerance is a social contract. It is a social protection. It means "accept people however they are".
    If you break it, then the social contract no longer applies to you. This also means you lose its protections. Entirely, unequivocally, until you regain the tolerance for the social contract.

    The FIRST ONE to break the social contract, loses that protection. People that bully and discriminate the FIRST ONE because they break it, are not really breaking the social contract themselves, because the FIRST ONE voluntarily removed any right they have for tolerating their views.

    Let's say we have a person called Z. Z says "I don't like X". X is a person. X didn't do any crimes. X didn't do anything wrong. X didn't physically nor mentally harm anyone. X didn't dislike another person. X just merely exists.
    It means that Z is intolerant. The whole dang alphabet goes after Z for being a crappy intolerant person. Z tries to defend themselves with "omg you're all so intolerant", but they're mistaken. Because Z's dislike to X is intolerance, and they threw the first stone. And we don't have to tolerate intolerance as a tolerant society.

    And "nuance" is not a concept in tolerance. Either you tolerate, or you do not. Adhere to the social contract, or do not.
    Anyone who tries to say differently is just trying to create wiggle room where they can treat people differently based on a random bias based on arbitrary specifications, and I see no reason to negotiate with these people. You need no wiggle room, that wiggle room is only for nefarious purposes to drive a wedge between people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai View Post
    Tolerance is a social contract. It is a social protection. It means "accept people however they are".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikazam View Post
    Paradox of tolerance is a thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by gllt View Post
    Paradox of tolerance is a thing
    Yes, it's been brought up several thousand times already when the hypocrisy is pointed out. Problem is that you're creating your own paradox and then dismissing any criticism of it by saying "Well, the paradox is a thing." The contradiction only occurs when your actions don't match your words - and given that your words are "Peace, love and acceptance man!" but the actions involve bullying and othering human beings and thus creates its own set of problems, or double standards or "paradox of tolerance." The truth of the matter is that every single one of you who has spouted vitriol at your fellow players and expressed sentiments of "we don't want you here anyway" is a hateful and spiteful individual hiding behind a mask of virtue. It's far easier to pretend you're a good person fighting a just cause and explain criticism away as paradoxical thinking than it is to come to terms with the fact that you're just bullies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickPaws View Post
    Yes, it's been brought up several thousand times already when the hypocrisy is pointed out. Problem is that you're creating your own paradox and then dismissing any criticism of it by saying "Well, the paradox is a thing." The contradiction only occurs when your actions don't match your words - and given that your words are "Peace, love and acceptance man!" but the actions involve bullying and othering human beings and thus creates its own set of problems, or double standards or "paradox of tolerance." The truth of the matter is that every single one of you who has spouted vitriol at your fellow players and expressed sentiments of "we don't want you here anyway" is a hateful and spiteful individual hiding behind a mask of virtue. It's far easier to pretend you're a good person fighting a just cause and explain criticism away as paradoxical thinking than it is to come to terms with the fact that you're just bullies.
    Man I didn't even talk to you.
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    it/its - 14 accessibility is bad, ease of access is not accessibility, jobs are boring. Transphobia ruins real attempts at criticism and it's whack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gllt View Post
    Paradox of tolerance is a thing
    Paradox of tolerance is a poor attempt at excusing hypocrisy.

    You see the thing with equalitarism concepts like Tolerance, is that they apply to everyone, even bad people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikazam View Post
    Paradox of tolerance is a poor attempt at excusing hypocrisy.

    You see the thing with equalitarism concepts like Tolerance, is that they apply to everyone, even bad people.

    If marginalized groups tolerate their intolerant oppressors, the oppressors ultimately eliminate the marginalized groups and their tolerance with it.
    It's really not a difficult concept to grasp but you'll do Simone Biles level mental gymnastics to rationalize why people should just accept your prejudices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachion View Post
    If marginalized groups tolerate their intolerant oppressors, the oppressors ultimately eliminate the marginalized groups and their tolerance with it.
    It's really not a difficult concept to grasp but you'll do Simone Biles level mental gymnastics to rationalize why people should just accept your prejudices.
    I must have missed the chapters in history where Arabs eliminated their European slaves or where Europeans and Americans eliminated their African slaves or where Africans eliminated their own African slaves, or where Egyptians eliminated their lower classes... Or maybe you mean the chapter where-in European nobility eliminated the peasantry? I must have missed that chapter too.

    I didn't miss the numerous chapters in history wherein peasants overthrew and executed or exiled their rulers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I must have missed the chapters in history where Arabs eliminated their European slaves or where Europeans and Americans eliminated their African slaves or where Africans eliminated their own African slaves, or where Egyptians eliminated their lower classes... Or maybe you mean the chapter where-in European nobility eliminated the peasantry? I must have missed that chapter too.

    I didn't miss the numerous chapters in history wherein peasants overthrew and executed or exiled their rulers.
    It obviously doesn't have to be in a literal sense of killing them, but limiting or flat out removing any agency they have. Why were there slaves in the first place? Why did we move on from the practice? Because we stopped tolerating those who wanted to enslave others, leading to a more tolerant society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachion View Post
    If marginalized groups tolerate their intolerant oppressors, the oppressors ultimately eliminate the marginalized groups and their tolerance with it.
    It's really not a difficult concept to grasp but you'll do Simone Biles level mental gymnastics to rationalize why people should just accept your prejudices.
    "Fight fire with fire, make the marginalized groups the oppressors and oppress the former oppressors." Thanks for confirming your a bigoted oppressor who delights in the suffering of the so called "oppressors".
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