#WukLamatMustDie

[Zackneifein]

MSQ was not relevant for either of these games other than setting the ambience most of all, if you hate the new areas in current FFXIV... which you most likely do not.. unlike EW... all you got is more or less broken worlds for half the areas and one is a place where only the wol can go... another is planet broken a part and finally a garlemeld in ruins that you can't use ofr much either... but probably a bit better main story.

You are either totally oblivious thinking that you and your friends doing hardcore content or roleplaying are the majority or you are trolling.

That can't be anything else.

[Themarvin]

No. Its you.

Saying YoshiP's theory doesnt work is laughable. He created one of the worlds most successful video games.

Go design your own game and see if your own theory works.

If people played for just the MSQ, then like any other MMORPG that has failed that had a good MSQ... but nothing more to offer severely loses playerbase once people has cleared the MSQ.

There is much more to MMORPGs than just Main Story.... especially if you want to make coin on the game as well.

[Themarvin]

You are either totally oblivious thinking that you and your friends doing hardcore content or roleplaying are the majority or you are trolling.

That can't be anything else.

Millions of players stays subscribed when there is no MSQ to do?

[AmorfaVex]

If people played for just the MSQ, then like any other MMORPG that has failed that had a good MSQ... but nothing more to offer severely loses playerbase once people has cleared the MSQ.

There is much more to MMORPGs than just Main Story.... especially if you want to make coin on the game as well.

It doesnt matter why they play.

This is how SE is designing the game.

Just accept it.

[Zackneifein]

Millions of players stays subscribed when there is no MSQ to do?

You still don't understand what I'm trying to say.

The vast majority of players are casual ones, whose main attraction is the MSQ. That's also why most of the communication is about the MSQ, why what's work on youtube isn't gatheting guide or RP video but people reacting to the said MSQ.

Those casual player can still remain subscribed between two patches because they can always connect time to time to level up a job or for events or anything the game has to offer.

But it doesn't change the fact that the MSQ is the main attraction. You remove it, you lose most of the players.
If you remove gathering, crafting, housing of the game or endgame activities, FF14 won't be as good anymore yes, but it could still work.

[Sivante]

But it doesn't change the fact that the MSQ is the main attraction. You remove it, you lose most of the players.
If you remove gathering, crafting, housing of the game or endgame activities, FF14 won't be as good anymore yes, but it could still work.

I see your point here, but I think it may be a bit unfair. FFXIV is 99% MSQ gate-locked. If you removed the MSQ, we don't actually even know what this game would look like. It has married the MSQ to the gameplay for so long that removing it would leave people without a knee-jerk response out to the sheer shock.

FFXIV is MSQ, I woefully agree. I think it's a mistake the way it's done, and it means that when they release an expansion with questionable story it irrevocably damages all of FFXIV.

I am just saying how it is, if you play an MMO and it gets an expansion then most of the buy is to be able to access content in that expansion and the story just being a side bonus, most content creation comes with interacting with other players in an MMORPG, being silly about everything else is just like any other hate speech...

Factually, objectively, and I'd argue even legally, incorrect.

"Most content creation comes from interaction with[...]" Yes, interaction is key in MMO, but interaction is not 'content', and it is not 'created content' either: it's spontaneous reaction from interaction. If I go to Alabama and someone says "The end is nigh" I don't think "Wow whoever paid him to say that is off the mark by a few years." This interactions are not 'content creation' at any stage. If they were, every single FFXIV player could sue CBU3 for their royalties on their share of the interactions that were sold as part of the expansion. Companies don't advertise it that way for a damn good reason.

"Being silly about everything else is just like any other hate speech." Just, wow: so the only valid complaints are hate speech? If I buy a house and you take away my bathroom, I'm gonna be pissed. Sure I didn't buy the house for that bathroom, but you robbed me of that bathroom and I paid for it. This is hate speech?

You need to touch grass, ASAP. You're in no position to tell others what they have a right to expect for their purchase, you're no advocate of the brand, and you're definitively not well-versed in the concept of what 'content' even is. Please refrain from spreading this nonsense, the topic is already charged enough without your misinformation addled argument.

[Zackneifein]

I see your point here, but I think it may be a bit unfair. FFXIV is 99% MSQ gate-locked. If you removed the MSQ, we don't actually even know what this game would look like. It has married the MSQ to the gameplay for so long that removing it would leave people without a knee-jerk response out to the sheer shock.

FFXIV is MSQ, I woefully agree. I think it's a mistake the way it's done, and it means that when they release an expansion with questionable story it irrevocably damages all of FFXIV.

I agree with you for the first of your point. It's unfair to compare MSQ and the rest of the game, but that was my point here.
I think that the MSQ is why FFXIV is so popular. I think that if you take everything that exist in FFXIV, you put it in another game and make it work perfectly well without the MSQ, it will, at best, be "sustainable" but not come any close to FFXIV popularity.

FFXIV is what it is now because like it has been said before, it has been treated as a Final Fantasy game before being treated as an MMO. A game with heavy storytelling where your character is organically well included despite being a custom mute character.

And yes, that's why I'm concerned for the future (concerned, not pessimistic yet) because I think they are taking the wrong path with 6.x and Dawntrail by removing the "organically well included" part and included "main NPC" like Zero and Wuk Lamat and making de facto the MSQ divisive (which like you said, is a big risk).

[Sivante]

I agree with you, and I share your concern. Hopefully we'll be proven wrong, but it's hard to keep that hope up sometimes.

[SteakDriven]

I don't mind Wuk Lamat but her stans are the worst.

[Racen]

nah I think we'll keep her. I love my little fuzzball.