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  1. #81
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    RolandDebreton's Avatar
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    Roland Debreton
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    I see enough of these threads that I thought it might be worth mentioning some things:

    1. The idea of allowing PL to continue in the game was an effort to allow those that are behind to catch up. Inherently this is a good thing, it can be misused but the concept is at its heart good in purpose.

    2. Removal of the current PL mechanics will only result in the outside high healer/tank method which is nearly as lazy.

    3. Some of us have issues, such as having to restart for various reasons. My wife for example lost her account due to a dispute with a third party she had to start anew, though she had numerous jobs leveled and this was disheartening to her. Having a catch up dynamic that I could quickly get her levels back has been a good thing.

    4. I have, and know numerous others that have had some levels PLed on low level jobs I/they found especially boring to get through. But, as for me, once I hit the late 30s or 40s at a job I will take it and leve quest on it solo and with parties to learn the dynamics of it. Frankly, most jobs are quite a different ballgame until about then anyway, since they lack the majority of the tools that will make them unique later.

    5. Some people, and I've played with many of them, have every job up to 50, never got a PL and still don't have the foggiest notion of how to play many/all of those jobs. I have seen a ton of plds and glds that never used a shield, tanks that can't tank, healers that don't know many of their skills, DD who have no idea where to stand for their various combos, bards who can't heal, buff, etc... all of them, terrible at their jobs, who didn't get PLed.
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  2. #82
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    Ice Wing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Is OP trolling? Because even without a PL you can lvl a job to 50 in a couple days.
    yeah after i got archer to 25 and got my chocobo for my first character, i just started a grind pt and got to 50 in 2 or 3 days i think idk, took like 2 for war still working on the others kind-of, mainly gave up on lvling to fight ifrit for awhile.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceWing View Post
    yeah after i got archer to 25 and got my chocobo for my first character, i just started a grind pt and got to 50 in 2 or 3 days i think idk, took like 2 for war still working on the others kind-of, mainly gave up on lvling to fight ifrit for awhile.
    Leveling in this game takes no skill what so ever. You grab a warrior tank and 1 or 2 whm then rest are DD and you go to natalan and you grind the crap out of them for a few hours and you get 50 in no time....also its a hell of a lot easier when you have 2-3 BLM then its basically the warrior links all the mobs and steel cyclones them all for the hate and the BLM all use flare at the same time for basically instant exp....
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  4. #84
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    Wevlum's Avatar
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    Tyler Wevlum
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    Whether PL should be in-game or not is a separate discussion from what this thread was addressing based on the title and original post. Again, personally I grinded all my jobs without the use of PL (cept for taking glad from 10-20).

    I just take issue with the logic that links "unable to do Ifrit" (for an example) with "was PLed". Unless you ask every person you party with "were you PLed" you have no idea if they are or not. People are just seeing a level 50 who isn't very good at their job in * fight and assuming it's because they were PLed.
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  5. #85
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    Asiaine's Avatar
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    Shayla Asiaine
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    Quote Originally Posted by RolandDebreton View Post
    I see enough of these threads that I thought it might be worth mentioning some things:

    1. The idea of allowing PL to continue in the game was an effort to allow those that are behind to catch up. Inherently this is a good thing, it can be misused but the concept is at its heart good in purpose.
    There might be a flaw in this argument... or I am missing something. Is it possible to PL my Fisher? Miner? Weaver? Any DoL/DoH job?

    or is it only meant to catch up for fighters? ; ;
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  6. #86
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    Tyler Wevlum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asiaine View Post
    There might be a flaw in this argument... or I am missing something. Is it possible to PL my Fisher? Miner? Weaver? Any DoL/DoH job?

    or is it only meant to catch up for fighters? ; ;
    Well DoH and DoL aren't jobs used within parties or story/endgame content. You don't need to catch them up in the same way you need to catch up a fighter. If they were suddenly used for raids and stuff I guess there'd be a point here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xakery View Post
    I just hate people.
    LMAO!!
    This is just fabulous!
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  8. #88
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    Shayla Asiaine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wevlum View Post
    Well DoH and DoL aren't jobs used within parties or story/endgame content. You don't need to catch them up in the same way you need to catch up a fighter. If they were suddenly used for raids and stuff I guess there'd be a point here.
    I think they will be used in the upcomming Hamlet defense.

    Also, having high level DoH at least helps with repairing all the high level equipment.


    Oh well ^^;
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  9. #89
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    Tyler Wevlum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asiaine View Post
    I think they will be used in the upcomming Hamlet defense.

    Also, having high level DoH at least helps with repairing all the high level equipment.


    Oh well ^^;
    Yeah I get what you're saying. I think it just comes down to how you need a fighter to play with friends but not a DoH if that makes sense? If we ever get that party crafting though who knows.
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    Athalia Hartfell
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    In the Linkshells I have, all I hear are people asking to PL each other. Getting to be quite sad now.
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