Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Riletz]

This brand of "fun with friends" at the expense of 68 other people is absurd. All it takes is one cheese-fueled engagement for a premade to start rolling in Battle High and spiral the game out of control, which is coincidentally the exact amount of engagements necessary to figure out you're up against a premade. Oh yeah, I'm sure the Shatter cliff drop has so many counters. Maybe, you know, let's have a guy or two sit up there! Get real. These groups have an indefensible advantage. The Frontline community has proven that they're not willing to matchmake in good faith. Premades should be removed.

As an aside, you don't need Salted Earth to ruin a Frontline match. There are as many ways as stars in the sky. My personal favorite: four BH5 AST macros going off at once. Have fun dealing with that.

[danndeline]

This brand of "fun with friends" at the expense of 68 other people is absurd. All it takes is one cheese-fueled engagement for a premade to start rolling in Battle High and spiral the game out of control, which is coincidentally the exact amount of engagements necessary to figure out you're up against a premade. Oh yeah, I'm sure the Shatter cliff drop has so many counters. Maybe, you know, let's have a guy or two sit up there! Get real. These groups have an indefensible advantage. The Frontline community has proven that they're not willing to matchmake in good faith. Premades should be removed.

As an aside, you don't need Salted Earth to ruin a Frontline match. There are as many ways as stars in the sky. My personal favorite: four BH5 AST macros going off at once. Have fun dealing with that.

Yeah, I do have fun with friends in Frontlines. Problem with that?

The fact that 68 other people, some of whom are also in parties formed before queuing into a match, can't figure out how to counter premades who are trying to win, or how these 68 other people don't even care is not our problem. I play solo as much as I do with my friends and, as I have said in my previous post, which you so kindly left out because you decided to come for my "brand", can be countered. Four astrologians syncing their bursts? Everyone can do this. And they're astrologians, kill them, they're squishy. Someone who comes in here has some idea of how PvP works in FFXIV, but clearly there's still a lot of learning for many people in here.

It's also not our problem the fact most people want to play ranged, and then they complain how they die a lot and lose a lot of matches. No interest in switching jobs like a tank, no interest in being a battle high killer like monk or ninja - and, seeing as you're a white mage, I'm not surprised why you're having a such a hard time against four astros. It's not like you have a morph ability or a limit break with a ~1 minute charge that can stun them. Don't want to be farmable? Learn and play different jobs.

I say we should have the ability to vote kick people who complain about commanders, complain about too many sound effects, use flags and post them as chat, node lickers, people who want to be carried, and the "Let them fight!"-ers. They're disrupting my gameplay.

[Mawlzy]

I say we should have the ability to vote kick people who complain about commanders, complain about too many sound effects, use flags and post them as chat, node lickers, people who want to be carried, and the "Let them fight!"-ers. They're disrupting my gameplay.

You have that ability. Hell, people can and are vote-kicked for no reason whatsoever.

May I suggest you and Olivia reel in the hyperbole on the incompetent 68 other people. I'm genuinely interested in how we get more skilled/committed people involved, and the two of you asserting that only your premade is playing properly is undermining your other points.

[Iglol]

You have that ability. Hell, people can and are vote-kicked for no reason whatsoever.

May I suggest you and Olivia reel in the hyperbole on the incompetent 68 other people. I'm genuinely interested in how we get more skilled/committed people involved, and the two of you asserting that only your premade is playing properly is undermining your other points.

Well at a certain point, people just aren't learning or having the attitude of wanting to learn. Eg DRK is on a 30s timer, the enemy DRK has backed off for about 30s after hitting your team and your team is more clumped than the third team, what do you think is going to happen very soon that you should prepare for? Enemy DRK is going to pop out looking to pull of course and if you keep dying to that over and over it really is your own fault since simply spreading out or backing off does wonders for discouraging a pull or preventing yourself from being stuck in one. This isn't rocket science or some big brain thing, its the basic flow of the current combat system being on a 20-30s timer for most jobs to do a full rotation of their actions. The issue boils down to complacency and laziness more than anything, and constantly complaining about and thinking of ways to push out or limit the strongest players won't do anything but make it worse since you're just lowering the bar and removing expectations for everyone else.

[danndeline]

You have that ability. Hell, people can and are vote-kicked for no reason whatsoever.

May I suggest you and Olivia reel in the hyperbole on the incompetent 68 other people. I'm genuinely interested in how we get more skilled/committed people involved, and the two of you asserting that only your premade is playing properly is undermining your other points.

I'm not speaking in hyperbole, it's rhetorical that if 68 other people can't figure out how to counter a pre-made then that's their problem. No undermining.

I have to ask, do you ever get tired of hating on Oli?

[Elfidan]

I say we should have the ability to vote kick people who complain about commanders, complain about too many sound effects, use flags and post them as chat

Careful kicking people. It only takes one mistake to find yourself in Mordion Goal. You can mute channel people for spamming and if it's truly spam report it because that is in fact detrimental to gameplay. The whole "Commanders" crap in Frontline is so cringe. More than half of them make bad calls anyway. Why exactly do people need call outs for one of if not the easiest content in the game. Be present and play it's that simple.

node lickers

Please define this defamatory term.

people who want to be carried

Report them for non-participation and move on. It's not worth the mental agony to stress over something Team 3 doesn't really care to address. They've already directed you to the report function so why not try it. Why risk your account on kicking someone based on a small sample size observation while your notably upset?

the "Let them fight!"-ers.

Sometimes this is the appropriate course of action.

Riletz 4 players aren't changing the game state you're being a goof.

[danndeline]

Careful kicking people. It only takes one mistake to find yourself in Mordion Goal. You can mute channel people for spamming and if it's truly spam report it because that is in fact detrimental to gameplay. The whole "Commanders" crap in Frontline is so cringe. More than half of them make bad calls anyway. Why exactly do people need call outs for one of if not the easiest content in the game. Be present and play it's that simple.
Please define this defamatory term.
Report them for non-participation and move on. It's not worth the mental agony to stress over something Team 3 doesn't really care to address. They've already directed you to the report function so why not try it. Why risk your account on kicking someone based on a small sample size observation while your notably upset?
Sometimes this is the appropriate course of action.

Riletz 4 players aren't changing the game state you're being a goof.

I like how my post was dripping with sarcasm and you took it seriously. I'm gonna assume your post is sarcastic, too, because why do we need commanders? Who needs commanders, anyways? It's not like having one person guide 23 other people to sync their attacks and bursts at the same time to take down the other teams and actually PvP is useful in any way and not what we have been trying to convey to the "Riletz" players throughout this thread.

I don't know how else to define node lickers, it's in the name. Can't ruin anyone's rep when it's already bad, node lickers always make games more difficult because they almost always never want to fight and always complain about having to PvP. Why is this defamatory to you, are you one?

But I'm not stressed about anything. This is all highly amusing for all of us who actually understand this mode. I'm not going to assume you how much you know or how you perform in PvP, because I don't care in the end.

At least when I try to sound smart and use words like "sample size", and assume how someone feels, I can use the correct form of "you're".

And, no, "Let them fight!" is a community meme and is almost always never the way to win, unless it's endgame and your team has capped nodes on the opposite side of the map from where the other two teams are fighting.

[Elfidan]

I get the feeling that you don't know what sarcasm is. I'm not kidding. If you have the map open and are actively participating, you can see what you need to do. You don't need someone else to tell you when to burst it's easily telegraphed as both WAR and DRK who generally initiate have hugely flashy animations. I've mentioned it before but let me reiterate that many of these so-called commanders make terrible calls such as leading the group into a pinch or attacking the wrong team.

I don't really understand why your so hesitant to define your terminology. It's obvious that it's supposed to be defamatory from the context in which you deploy it. In several of the modes unless you have an absolutely amazing group in terms of pvp skill, nodes far outweigh the points from actually pvping. Also, I don't mind letting someone be there to claim the node so I can rack up BH and or cover them while they do it. That's just good teamwork. I see you don't have keeper of knowledge, maybe you should lick a few more nodes.

If we're nit picking you know it's better to say 'phrases' instead of 'words' as they aren't separate but rather used in conjunction. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to be smart. I'm actually pretty simple.

Let them fight has its place. When you're in DN and the other two teams are buried into each other over a rank three or four node while your team is all alone at the rank five that just spawned and will swing you the game let those fools go at it. You see this all the time on Primal, but I know you're on Aether and that experience may be foreign. I agree that shunning all combat is foolish however. It happens with regularity in FoG that one team will have a massive lead and get bodied for lack of BH at the end.

Hopefully this all comes out as intended and you don't feel attacked. Except the nit picking part. I am totally attacking you there. Albeit a gentle slap.

[AllenThyl]

If you have the map open and are actively participating, you can see what you need to do. You don't need someone else to tell you when to burst it's easily telegraphed as both WAR and DRK who generally initiate have hugely flashy animations. I've mentioned it before but let me reiterate that many of these so-called commanders make terrible calls such as leading the group into a pinch or attacking the wrong team.

"Looking at the map you can see what to do" is how you get people to do nothing but lick ice, even when there is an opportunity to cut off the enemies retreat and rack up battle high. Or how a team instantly splits when there are A-ranks spawning both to the left and right hand side in Onsal. Or how people will throw themselves to capture the B rank node on the same side as the 3rd place team, while the winning team is just sitting back chilling on their 2 S rank spawns. I am sorry if most of the commanders are just the DRKs announcing their engagements, but that is an NA problem then. But knowing and recognizing high level strategy that needs to happen isn't something that everyone can just do, so this trash talking of commanders in general is just "holier than though" speak.

I don't really understand why your so hesitant to define your terminology. It's obvious that it's supposed to be defamatory from the context in which you deploy it. In several of the modes unless you have an absolutely amazing group in terms of pvp skill, nodes far outweigh the points from actually pvping. Also, I don't mind letting someone be there to claim the node so I can rack up BH and or cover them while they do it. That's just good teamwork. I see you don't have keeper of knowledge, maybe you should lick a few more nodes.

Oh please, stop with the pretense. As if there aren't way too many people in every Shatter match that do nothing but lick the ice node even when the team has the ramp advantage, instead of just clearing out the enemies and then go back to attacking the crystal. People with less than 10k enemy damage on Shatter need to be autobanned. I mean, if you don't see and recognize them, that is pretty much just on you tbh. And there is absolutely no reason to defend this kind of quite frankly lethargic gameplay. Objectives, just like kills / routing of players is a means to an end, and it's still a PvP mode. People who don't want to engage in even the most basic of PvP in a PvP mode are simply in the wrong mode and need to be removed.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to be smart.

Don't worry, in that regard, you're safe.

Let them fight has its place. When you're in DN and the other two teams are buried into each other over a rank three or four node while your team is all alone at the rank five that just spawned and will swing you the game let those fools go at it. You see this all the time on Primal, but I know you're on Aether and that experience may be foreign. I agree that shunning all combat is foolish however. It happens with regularity in FoG that one team will have a massive lead and get bodied for lack of BH at the end.

Oh, so you do know just how terrible the strategic play can be leaving the swarm idiocy to their own devices. So what exactly where you trying to argue again?

[Elfidan]

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