Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Bobby66]

I ask you again: how do you promote better play as a whole?

Maybe it just does not need fixing. Maybe PvP in FFXIV is not meant to be competitive, and strictly meant to be an after thought where people go to farm some neat rewards and you run into a few people that wish to try and improve but for the most part it is just a low impact content where friends can just muck around and have fun.

Guess 7.1 will tell, but I get the feeling FFXIV pvp is going to get less and less support.

[Wilford111]

Square Enix: sincerely, why is it so hard to balance pvp? You HAVE to know by now how broken Salted Earth is. You have had about 2 years to fix this broken ability and you've done nothing about it. Why? Why?? Are you having trouble finding the delete button? Cuz I can personally fly to your offices and show you where the delete button is. Honestly DRK would be fine without Salted Earth. It would be better even, because it wouldn't be a broken job that plebs wouldn't default to because they aren't skilled enough at pvp that they have to resort to a broken job to make their fragile little egos feel better. Honestly, I'm having trouble understanding why SE hasn't done anything.

Salted Earth.

This one ability is the reason Frontline sucks so much.

"But if they fix Salted Earth, the meta will just be something else!" Then I expect SE to do something about that as well! Doesn't every pvp game in existence have constant balance updates to make it fun and fair for everyone? Every game except FFXIV, it seems. I really sincerely don't understand why SE is so hell-bent on keeping pvp as the joke that it is.

[OliviaLugria]

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Salted Earth.

This one ability is the reason Frontline sucks so much.

It sure does do a lottas
Sacking hahaha.

They desperately don't want to have sto care. People still que, so that means the content is good.

[Rhafa]

Okay, I do agree that Frontlines suck, and the pre-mades I encounter in it suck.
But so does my foolish teammates that fall for the same trick over and over again.

I lose the match. I queue again.
And again.
And again.
I win.

I queue again.

Frontlines, everyone.

[Xylira]

It's even more ironic because I'm almost certain the reason why PVE and PVP skills are done separately is so they *could* balance skills in PVP without it affecting PVE, which is so often the issue that plagues other MMOs where skills are universal across both kinds of content and thus an absolute hell to keep balanced because buffs and nerfs applied to PVE carry straight over to PVP.

And yet... FF14 has some of the most poorly maintained and exploited PVP in an MMO, up to and including abandoned modes and maps that have been out of rotation longer than they were originally available. Can't even say it's because "oh they were busy working on other parts of the game" because Dawntrail proves that was hardly the case.

PvP is a complete afterthought for the Devs it feels like. They literally balanced all of the skillsets of the last rework exclusively for 5v5 Crystalline Conflict, with the only balancing for Front Lines was to adjust incoming and outgoing damage on certain jobs. As if that somehow magically makes small scale PvP tuning scale up properly to a 24v24v24 setting with the Battle High snowballing mechanic. Not to mention that it took them what feels like ages just to fix the paladin invuln capping exploit, for what should have been corrected in a hotfix patch.

[danndeline]

You have that ability. Hell, people can and are vote-kicked for no reason whatsoever.

May I suggest you and Olivia reel in the hyperbole on the incompetent 68 other people. I'm genuinely interested in how we get more skilled/committed people involved, and the two of you asserting that only your premade is playing properly is undermining your other points.

I'm not speaking in hyperbole, it's rhetorical that if 68 other people can't figure out how to counter a pre-made then that's their problem. No undermining.

I have to ask, do you ever get tired of hating on Oli?

[danndeline]

Careful kicking people. It only takes one mistake to find yourself in Mordion Goal. You can mute channel people for spamming and if it's truly spam report it because that is in fact detrimental to gameplay. The whole "Commanders" crap in Frontline is so cringe. More than half of them make bad calls anyway. Why exactly do people need call outs for one of if not the easiest content in the game. Be present and play it's that simple.
Please define this defamatory term.
Report them for non-participation and move on. It's not worth the mental agony to stress over something Team 3 doesn't really care to address. They've already directed you to the report function so why not try it. Why risk your account on kicking someone based on a small sample size observation while your notably upset?
Sometimes this is the appropriate course of action.

Riletz 4 players aren't changing the game state you're being a goof.

I like how my post was dripping with sarcasm and you took it seriously. I'm gonna assume your post is sarcastic, too, because why do we need commanders? Who needs commanders, anyways? It's not like having one person guide 23 other people to sync their attacks and bursts at the same time to take down the other teams and actually PvP is useful in any way and not what we have been trying to convey to the "Riletz" players throughout this thread.

I don't know how else to define node lickers, it's in the name. Can't ruin anyone's rep when it's already bad, node lickers always make games more difficult because they almost always never want to fight and always complain about having to PvP. Why is this defamatory to you, are you one?

But I'm not stressed about anything. This is all highly amusing for all of us who actually understand this mode. I'm not going to assume you how much you know or how you perform in PvP, because I don't care in the end.

At least when I try to sound smart and use words like "sample size", and assume how someone feels, I can use the correct form of "you're".

And, no, "Let them fight!" is a community meme and is almost always never the way to win, unless it's endgame and your team has capped nodes on the opposite side of the map from where the other two teams are fighting.

[danndeline]

Bets, anyone?



"But I never said it this precise way". Is that also one of those fancy debating techniques employed by the JHS debate team? To feint ignorance about the meaning of your very own words?




Either you have a very rosy opinion of the current state of Frontline, or you don't know how analogies work.

I love you.

My friend also says they want to shake your hand.

[Elfidan]

I get the feeling that you don't know what sarcasm is. I'm not kidding. If you have the map open and are actively participating, you can see what you need to do. You don't need someone else to tell you when to burst it's easily telegraphed as both WAR and DRK who generally initiate have hugely flashy animations. I've mentioned it before but let me reiterate that many of these so-called commanders make terrible calls such as leading the group into a pinch or attacking the wrong team.

I don't really understand why your so hesitant to define your terminology. It's obvious that it's supposed to be defamatory from the context in which you deploy it. In several of the modes unless you have an absolutely amazing group in terms of pvp skill, nodes far outweigh the points from actually pvping. Also, I don't mind letting someone be there to claim the node so I can rack up BH and or cover them while they do it. That's just good teamwork. I see you don't have keeper of knowledge, maybe you should lick a few more nodes.

If we're nit picking you know it's better to say 'phrases' instead of 'words' as they aren't separate but rather used in conjunction. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to be smart. I'm actually pretty simple.

Let them fight has its place. When you're in DN and the other two teams are buried into each other over a rank three or four node while your team is all alone at the rank five that just spawned and will swing you the game let those fools go at it. You see this all the time on Primal, but I know you're on Aether and that experience may be foreign. I agree that shunning all combat is foolish however. It happens with regularity in FoG that one team will have a massive lead and get bodied for lack of BH at the end.

Hopefully this all comes out as intended and you don't feel attacked. Except the nit picking part. I am totally attacking you there. Albeit a gentle slap.

[Commander_Justitia]

The most interaction I see in frontline chat is when people ask how to mute the guys trying to lead as they occasionally use a sound effect. Then they get annoyed that the leader spams their chat log with nonreadable messages. Are leaders getting soon reported because players are too annoyed by them? they just want their exp after all and nothing more. The player who said that did sub 150k damage over 18min as a range dps btw.

Winning and second place should be rewarded more than 3rd place, even for roulette daily. It is already too good that casuals don't want to miss it, even though they hate PvP. Or they need siege weapons where they simply press 1 button and can be useful that way.