Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

[YuriSan]

Because it's a tutrle healer tank, not a damage tank.



You all really want Pld to be everything: tank, healer and damage dealer. Talk about not having realistic views, dream on.

Big Black White Haired dude.

I love you now.

I been saying that PLD and WAR are just different tanks.
Nobody is broken or overpowered.
They just go through a different route tanking.
Some like it this way some the other.

p.s: I like bass guitars, rectangular tables, chicks in aprons and TURTLES!!!

[Rydin]

Big Black White Haired dude.

I love you now.

I been saying that PLD and WAR are just different tanks.
Nobody is broken or overpowered.
They just go through a different route tanking.
Some like it this way some the other.

p.s: I like bass guitars, rectangular tables, chicks in aprons and TURTLES!!!

ok... so what is PLD's particular tanking route?

Is it Damage mitigation that fails in comparison to more HP?

Is it healing that fails in comparison to second wind + Bloodbath + Rampage Crits?

Is it blocking that fails compared to Parrying?

[KumaAkuma]

ok... so what is PLD's particular tanking route?

Is it Damage mitigation that fails in comparison to more HP?

Is it healing that fails in comparison to second wind + Bloodbath + Rampage Crits?

Is it blocking that fails compared to Parrying?

I think it's laughable that you think Wars crits a lot and get a sizeable amount healed from it on mobs that matter.
Pld gets Bloodbath too.
Aegis Boon, does have a 15sec longer recast, but force block and heal for more than Second Wind on mobs that matter.
Oh and then you still have Holy Succor and Cure.

War hardly ever parries without the use of Foresight on mobs that matter, but hey if you think blocking sucks so much and really think parry is the shit, remove your shield, now you can parry too!

But back to blocking, over a period of 180 secs:

You can use Divine Veil 3 times to have a 100% blockrate for 60sec.
You can use Outmaneuver 2 times to have an increased blockrate for 60sec.
You can use Sentinel 2 times to have an all over damage reduction for 30sec.

That leaves you with just 30 secs over a whole 180sec period "unprotected" in which you can still use Aegis Boon 3 times if you have managed your abilities properly or even just 2 times and it would still be amazing.

War can't do stunts like this with parry, so why shouldn't parry be a bit more effective than block since the procrate isn't has high.

[Peptaru]

I think it's laughable that you think Wars crits a lot and get a sizeable amount healed from it on mobs that matter.
Pld gets Bloodbath too.
Aegis Boon, does have a 15sec longer recast, but force block and heal for more than Second Wind on mobs that matter.
Oh and then you still have Holy Succor and Cure.

War hardly ever parries without the use of Foresight on mobs that matter, but hey if you think blocking sucks so much and really think parry is the shit, remove your shield, now you can parry too!

But back to blocking, over a period of 180 secs:

You can use Divine Veil 3 times to have a 100% blockrate for 60sec.
You can use Outmaneuver 2 times to have an increased blockrate for 60sec.
You can use Sentinel 2 times to have an all over damage reduction for 30sec.

That leaves you with just 30 secs over a whole 180sec period "unprotected" in which you can still use Aegis Boon 3 times if you have managed your abilities properly or even just 2 times and it would still be amazing.

War can't do stunts like this with parry, so why shouldn't parry be a bit more effective than block since the procrate isn't has high.

You can go ahead and remove outmaneuver from your list of mitigation. It provides 60 seconds of "why doesn't the let me block anything ON MOBS THAT MATTER. People stack it with divine veil to get some use from it as it stands now.

[YuriSan]

ok... so what is PLD's particular tanking route?

Is it Damage mitigation that fails in comparison to more HP?

Is it healing that fails in comparison to second wind + Bloodbath + Rampage Crits?

Is it blocking that fails compared to Parrying?

I already said what are the things i like about being PLD while tanking in another thread lemme paste it here:

I always tank Ifrit on PLD and we kill it in under 10 everytime easy



We do Moogle fight with two tanks, I'm on PLD (kitting)
And off tank is on WAR to get Whiskerwall in Phase two.
Even tho WAR is starting with Collusion on a BRD's Barrage after a while i can take
Whiskerwall on me if i like to.
Don't forget the extra stats that come from a shield.
You can stack an additional 50+ DEF on it, Elemental res or even HP if u like too.
+10 ENM on the Thormoen's Purpose right there.


MNKs, BRDs and BLMs cant really hold a mog's hate for long from me.
By the end of phase one i usually have either all or most mobs flashing red on me .

In AV:
I am doing the poisonous rooms on PLD,
I have a macro which pops Divine Veil on me and right after pops a message in /p
telling to WHMs to throw a cure on me, POW! AoE regen on the whole pt without the need of Sacred Prism.
I help stoneskin and aoe cure in the two rooms with sacred prism alswell (My stoneskin is better than a WHM's because i have 359 VIT btw).
Also don't forget PLD can raise which is important aswell.
Not needing TP to perfor an AoE hate pulling skill is also key. Flash is instant and so is Wardrum,
If u pop aegis inside a clustered mob party that all hit u at the same time u will block instantly

In Coincounter:
I start with Sent + flash + voke, run to the tanking spot to aegis boom + war drum + phalanx + spirits within.
Then spam Flat blade combo.
If Coincounter swings i run through him towards the party and Rampart there while he is on his ass
and on my way back to my tanking spot i pop riot blade on his back to start off the rage of halone combo. My full BLM party goes all out on him and i totally have control, never ever lose hate, no potions or nothing.
If things go wrong and i die i can pop hallowed ground after raised and i can run through the chaos to gain
hate control back on me. NOTHING can kill me no swings nor swipes .

And damagewise Rage of Halone, gorging blade and spirits within combo are just fine

It all depends on what each person preffers.

Yuri San tanks better on PLD and generally finds PLD more useful in a party. (not a soloing class for sure)

Anyway this is my last post here dudes. tired of this debate lol.. cheers.

[Searious]

Hopefully they only buff Pld. I hate nerfs.