Brainstorming DPS rotation changes for healers

[Supersnow845]

I'll take "How to defeat your own argument for $500, Alex." It'll make decent players bad, because they'll fuck up healing focusing on DPS more often as they'll be forced to, bad will always be bad, but at least it's SALVAGEABLE. While healers that can pull it off, will do nothing but FFlog their numbers, and gatekeep for ego stroke. Knock it off with the "whataboutism" with the tanks, and address the actual issue. Everyone knows what this is about, healers who want to grandstand again. Lower tank and DPS self sustainability, sure, so healers have more to work on. That is it. Anything DPS related is simply a desire to grandstand numbers.

You have Red Mage (Oh look you main class). If you want DPS with a side of healing, there you go. Healers are HEALING WITH A SIDE OF DPS. If you want more DPS, play a fucking DPS class.

Tanks- literally able to completely remove the healer from the equation

Playerbase- this is fine

Healers- hey can we please actually do something to contribute to this raid

Playerbase- you just wanna grandstand


I love how healers wanting to be more than an enforced burden on their party is grandstanding but tanks being 2 roles in one is totally fine

If complex DPS was nothing but grandstanding with FFLOGS all the DPS should be fine with 11111111 as well, otherwise hey you are just grandstanding

[Bellybell]

i'm sorry but
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[CaptainLagbeard]

If they want to use bad players as a reason for the lack of gameplay, we should take it other roles as well and just make every DPS job like phys ranged so that even the worst players won't be affected by movement and can hope to have uptime.
Get rid of rotations, because messing up a rotation can lead to lower DPS. Everyone should just have only 1 attack, that way they don't have to worry about it.
Everyone should just stick to their roles, DPS should just DPS. Get rid of all their options to heal themselves, or reduce enemies damage. Tanks should only have a ton of mitigation options alongside their singular attack.

[Aravell]

Tanks should only have a ton of mitigation options alongside their singular attack.

No attacks necessary. Bring back Flash, only aggro and mitigation is a tank's responsibility after all, doing damage isn't part of their job description.

[CaptainLagbeard]

No attacks necessary. Bring back Flash, only aggro and mitigation is a tank's responsibility after all, doing damage isn't part of their job description.

Definitely. Tank's action bar should just be Flash, Provoke and essentially 10 copies of Rampart.

[TheDustyOne]

I'll take "How to defeat your own argument for $500, Alex." It'll make decent players bad, because they'll fuck up healing focusing on DPS more often as they'll be forced to, bad will always be bad, but at least it's SALVAGEABLE. While healers that can pull it off, will do nothing but FFlog their numbers, and gatekeep for ego stroke. Knock it off with the "whataboutism" with the tanks, and address the actual issue. Everyone knows what this is about, healers who want to grandstand again. Lower tank and DPS self sustainability, sure, so healers have more to work on. That is it. Anything DPS related is simply a desire to grandstand numbers.

You have Red Mage (Oh look you main class). If you want DPS with a side of healing, there you go. Healers are HEALING WITH A SIDE OF DPS. If you want more DPS, play a fucking DPS class.

Welp, let's flip it for you here. Let's assume that bad tanks force Square to remove most of PLDs kit and leave with nothing but Fast Blade and Holy Spirit, let's also give every DPS a way to mitigate all tankbusters because after all, a tank might DIE and now a poor DPS has to take the buster.

Now, you can't ask for your DPS skills and responsibility back because: they'll f*ck up tanking focus on DPS more often as they'll be forced to, bad will always be bad, but at least it's SALVAGEABLE. While tanks can pull it off, will do nothing but FFLog their numbers gatekeep for ego stroke. Knock it with the "whataboutism" with the healers and address the actual issue. Everyone knows what this is about, tanks who want to grandstand again. Lower DPS mitigation abilities sure, so tanks have more to work on. That's it. Anything DPS related is simply a desire to grandstand numbers.

I played RDM and enjoy its healing utility yes, but it's still not my primary role as that job. SCH had what I liked if I wanted some good healing interactivity with a decent DPS kit back in SB. Healers aren't "healing with a side of DPS", they're just gimped DPS with overbloated healing kits, and you'd know that if you've been playing for as long as you claim.

[LuciferMournstar]

So basically your argument boils down to “healing is enough for me so it should be enough for everyone”

Not everyone struggled to stance dance on sephirot EX, you don’t have the right to dictate the entire role to suit your personal skill cap

Hypocrisy, thy name is Supersnow845. Guess what buttercup, that's exactly what you're trying to do. "I'm not struggling, so i'm dictating nobody else should either to suit my personal skill cap." Congratulations, you're better than me and others at healer. Want a fucking cookie? Actually yeah, yeah you do. You want a cookie on FFlogs, bragging rights, and gate keeping to feel better.

[Supersnow845]

Hypocrisy, thy name is Supersnow845. Guess what buttercup, that's exactly what you're trying to do. "I'm not struggling, so i'm dictating nobody else should either to suit my personal skill cap." Congratulations, you're better than me and others at healer. Want a fucking cookie? Actually yeah, yeah you do. You want a cookie on FFlogs, bragging rights, and gate keeping to feel better.

Because unlike you I understand that a higher skill ceiling without raising the skill floor isn’t inheritantly exclusionary

You just for some reason entered content that expects competence in your role, couldn’t meet that level of expected competence and your “solution” is to nuke the complexity of the job

[TheDustyOne]

Hypocrisy, thy name is Supersnow845. Guess what buttercup, that's exactly what you're trying to do. "I'm not struggling, so i'm dictating nobody else should either to suit my personal skill cap." Congratulations, you're better than me and others at healer. Want a fucking cookie? Actually yeah, yeah you do. You want a cookie on FFlogs, bragging rights, and gate keeping to feel better.

So because you're upset that other people are better than you at a game, you want their toys taken away.

Rather than getting better at the game or sticking to content that better suits the way you played healers, you opted to throw a tantrum until the game suited your needs. What a child.

[Gullis]

Perhaps then the real solution is to remove healers from the game and give every job Leech, where a portion of damage dealt heals the damage dealer. That way every player becomes responsible for their own survival.

funny part is, that if they did it, they would have to do minimal work, if anything to change up the fight design to support it