Normal Raids need dps check and enrage time

[Jeeqbit]

There actually used to be enrages on normal raids. I remember trying to solo Deltascape 1 and shockingly met an enrage at, I think it was 14 minutes, about the same as the Alexander raids.

When I tried to solo E12 there was no enrage at all. I just kept going for over 20 minutes until I killed it.

But I mean 14 minutes is a joke anyway. Even the worst party is unlikely to take that long in any normal raid.

[Kaurhz]

It really depends on the extent of the DPS check, really -- and how permissible the DPS check will actually be. If it isn't permissible then you're changing the scope of the content.

[Mistress_Irika]

DPS check? Maybe a few here and there.
Enrage? Leave it in extremes and savages. It doesn't belong in normals. You already have some saying that this expansion is too hard.

[CaptainLagbeard]

HW and SB Normal Raids have Enrage Timers... But they're VERY generous and you won't reach them unless your group completely fucks up.

[Bobby66]

Even if they added dps checks in normal mode they would be so forgiving they may aswell not even have one.

[Xuled]

Sure. Not the worst idea I've seen on here. Will trim the player base down to what will hopefully be a bit more skilled overall (ie: not using ST on trash, doing proper rotations, etc.)

[Dorito_Burrito]

After trying a few times the 4 normal raids, I came to a conclusion:

you have given all the weight and responsibility to the healers.

Yes, a very noisy and -PARTLY right- group said healing was too easy (and I feel that too, in EW was a walk in the park), but now I say something different.

DPS IS TOO EASY, THEY DIE, fail every rotation and don't take any blame because there is not such a thing as a "dps check" in normal raid.

This is UNFAIR, everyone should be part of the victory and we don't have to win just because the healer is perfect and we have 4 zombies raising over and over until the boss die.

"Huh? I actually have to do the role I queued for!? That's not fair!"

[Xaphire]

After some of the things I've witnessed DPS players doing in normal raids...yes. There should be an enrage on these bosses and people need to learn how to press their buttons more than once every 10~seconds.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Sure. Not the worst idea I've seen on here. Will trim the player base down to what will hopefully be a bit more skilled overall (ie: not using ST on trash, doing proper rotations, etc.)

It should at the very least filter out people who don't quite grasp the concept that standing in AoEs is bad and spend more time dead than alive.

[Mr_Gyactus]

I didn't play DT yet so I don't know what the current situation is like.

I summarize DT then.

mechanics are fast chained (almost at the same time, 1-2 sec to adjust).
For example the third boss does:
- 4 zones to cover with a long push when the "thing" drops +
- static bombs exploding in a certain succession +
- a large AOE covering 2/3 of the arena

if you fail the long push you end in a bomb, and take huge damage + stack of vulnerability, AND if you are in the wrong part of the arena you die for the 2/3 aoe. If you already have a stack of vuln you die for the bomb or the aoe.

Now, the problem. After this there are the stack mechanic + continued AOE damage (old titan times), but the shared aoe could kills 4 dps because they got vuln or raise sick.
You can't do anything except "raise-raise-raise-raise" and we have our zombie army.

This is true for the healer as well: if the healers fail a mechanic they take a deserved vuln stack, and they die.
If they die no one is able to raise zombies, if no one raises zombie it's wipe.
As you see, IF the healer doesn't fail the fight continues until the boss dies of old age, IF the healer dies it's very difficult to recover.
And on a note, I struggle when I'm forced to raise or fast full an HP bar, I lose focus and I begin to fail over and over.

So yeah, better if everyone has a fair amount of problems. Instead of vuln stack place the old damage down, and a dps check. At least I don't feel like I'm the only one making the party wipe, because I failed 1 mech.