Are we destroying "our own" game?

[Payadopa]

I guess you weren't excited about Enhanced Second Wind.

You forget that ability that turns my Enshroud attacks slightly yellow. I legit had no idea what had changed after reading the tooltip. lol Such a nothing burger. And on AST I get to press my Divination button again within 45 seconds or so. Whoopdee-f'ing-doo. Granted, it looks nice.
I thought leveling up in an RPG was supposed to be exciting?

This ain't it, chief.

[Striker44]

The fact that I see negative comments about DT being upvoted on the main subreddit is enough for me to know that the consensus on the DT story is that it's crap.

If the forums is where people go to complain about FFXIV, then the FFXIV subreddit is where people go to talk about the parts of the game that they love, post memes, all those sorts of things.

Or it just means a group decided to migrate there. Meanwhile, go to YT and you'll find people making positive comments about DT and getting hundreds (and sometimes over a thousand) upvotes...

[CidHeiral]

It's easy to come here where people complain about the game, and they do this every patch and expansion mind you, and find yourself a circle of people who to feedback loop your negative opinions at. It's also pretty easy to feedback loop your opinions to the point you feel that they are a universal fact.

Very true. When most threads are an echo chamber circle jerk you're not going to see a lot of dissenting opinions because they either get chased out of the threads or they don't see much point in arguing with the hive mind to begin with.

[Isala]

Just gonna jump in on this particular comment. It's because the MSQ has to be accessible to anyone regardless of whether they've leveled crafters or gatherers or not. Those jobs are "completely missing" from the MSQ because they're optional, and the MSQ by its nature can only include required things (consider how they made the previously-optional Crystal Tower series mandatory when it became tied into the MSQ in ShB). It's also why you can do certain side quests like Unukalhai's, but he's not going to appear in the MSQ even in places where it might "make sense" because not everyone is required to have met him. To be perfectly blunt, the dev's approach makes sense here and I don't feel drops any proverbial ball.

The part you missed, is that literally any other expansion, we'd be "cooking", in that we'd have to get the items, dump them in the pot, hand them to an NPC, interact with a handful of things, to "participate". Just like the stupid cutscene on the train, where we could have easily been a participant in shooting down the enemies. They literally have the technology in the Saucer. Instead, we just do... Nothing. We don't even get to watch the cooking happen. It fades to black, just like the stupid Alpaca quest.

[Kes13a]

The part you missed, is that literally any other expansion, we'd be "cooking", in that we'd have to get the items, dump them in the pot, hand them to an NPC, interact with a handful of things, to "participate". Just like the stupid cutscene on the train, where we could have easily been a participant in shooting down the enemies. They literally have the technology in the Saucer. Instead, we just do... Nothing. We don't even get to watch the cooking happen. It fades to black, just like the stupid Alpaca quest.

this... so much this. it would have been awesome if we could have joined in on the train and actually SHOT AT THINGS. but then, I suppose this can be excused for the "accessibility" rant because people are too incompetent at high level in a VIDEO GAME to be able to hit anything.

not to mention, they could have given a choice to assist with cooking, with a good or bad outcome, if you were a culinarian, it could have enhanced it one way, if you werent, could have added a "surprising taste" since all that was required was learning the local customs. honestly, the people pressing for "accessibility" clearly cant see any way it could be done properly that actually allows everyone to still do it while making the story better.

[KisaiTenshi]

this... so much this. it would have been awesome if we could have joined in on the train and actually SHOT AT THINGS. but then, I suppose this can be excused for the "accessibility" rant because people are too incompetent at high level in a VIDEO GAME to be able to hit anything.

not to mention, they could have given a choice to assist with cooking, with a good or bad outcome, if you were a culinarian, it could have enhanced it one way, if you werent, could have added a "surprising taste" since all that was required was learning the local customs. honestly, the people pressing for "accessibility" clearly cant see any way it could be done properly that actually allows everyone to still do it while making the story better.

Considering we have "Trusts" for multiplayer content, just stick a "trust" system in place with three options:

"I want to do this minigame (Cul LV 90 required)"
"I want (NPC name) to do this minigame for me"
"I want (NPC name) to do this minigame (RP)" (Normal/Easy)

Problem solved. Then just write the story reflecting how you both did it. This would at least offer the OPTION to do it, and not just fade to black.

Same with the train in DT, could we not... sit in a gunner seat and fire at targets or something? Like there is an entire minigame in the golden saucer that does this.

[Kes13a]

Considering we have "Trusts" for multiplayer content, just stick a "trust" system in place with three options:

"I want to do this minigame (Cul LV 90 required)"
"I want (NPC name) to do this minigame for me"
"I want (NPC name) to do this minigame (RP)" (Normal/Easy)

Problem solved. Then just write the story reflecting how you both did it. This would at least offer the OPTION to do it, and not just fade to black.

Same with the train in DT, could we not... sit in a gunner seat and fire at targets or something? Like there is an entire minigame in the golden saucer that does this.

yeah, MAJOR lost opportunity there in my opinion...

[Boa-Noah]

Can't speak for the rest of everyone else, but the only reason I'm posting here is because I hit a point with DT where I was like "This is absolutely dog water! Surely I'm not the only one that feels this way." And sure enough, people seem to agree that DT is the worst expansion we've ever had.

That's rich, the worst expansion? Come off it, it's way better writing than Heavensward in my opinion, but people have rosy glasses for whatever it is they like and it fogs everything else, like come on, sure it may not be stellar but how is it at all the worst thing we've ever had? That's just pure hyperbole and ruins whatever nuanced argument you might have.

[Lazariah]

I thought the story was fine. It wasn't amazing or even great, it was okay. I felt the same way about Stormblood honestly. But the content has actually been really fun. I am loving the dungeons and raids. Most people I know pretty much share that sentiment. I'm honestly wondering if the negativity is just people noticing the negative more then the positive. Or maybe a minority of terminally online people constantly shouting out their own views.

[Isala]

That's rich, the worst expansion? Come off it, it's way better writing than Heavensward in my opinion, but people have rosy glasses for whatever it is they like and it fogs everything else, like come on, sure it may not be stellar but how is it at all the worst thing we've ever had? That's just pure hyperbole and ruins whatever nuanced argument you might have.

It's not hyperbole if it's true. And take a look at the ratings. The "best" comparison anyone has ever actually managed to make puts it as equal to ARR's ratings in one single category. It is, by all measurable metrics, the worst expansion XIV has had.