Problem with toxic casual players on this forum

[KooriGraywolf]

Story is bad though. And no, it's not because of Wuk Lamat.

I think it's the other way around. The story is ok but it is brought down by Wuk Lamat, specifically the insane amount of focus and screentime, and the excessive fixation on "peace and understanding".

I agree, other aspects of the expansion are good, like dungeons, fights, zones, and music.

[DaveFishnomer]

This post is just a mess, are you talking about casual players or about people who dislike the story?
Most people on this forum gave a pretty extensive list of well thought-out reasons why they hate the story, so either you are averting your eyes from them or you missed 80% of the discussion here.

As for casual players, care to give examples on THIS expansion, you only gave two examples on EW and said it got out of hand in DT without giving a single example on what you mean.

[Antharaes]

Ofcourse, the game/world/life/ is going down the drain and we have to blame the casuals for it.

[Aniise]

Oh man, I finally understand everything! I only don't like the story or Wuk Lmao because I'm not a hardcore raiding professional legendary golden parse player, I guess that explains it. Yes. That's the only reason. I'm just not good enough at the game to appreciate a good story! Finally, enlightenment at least. /s

Like...are you serious? How do those two things even connect in any way? That's a very weird way to defend the story, not gonna lie.

[IvoryHawk]

This part of the playerbase doesn't understand that Stormblood was the best expansion content and job balance wise

Just because the content and the buttons were fun, the story was still lacking in SB too, we can't just say "story bad but gameplay good so it's ok" is ok, we shouldn't accept allowing one but not the other, It really does feel like that cup analogy many streamers have mentioned, we never get a bigger cup, they just fill it the same every expansion, taking and filling but never giving us more while leaving everything else as is, and then they say to the community "we didn't think you wanted another deep dungeon" and "we didn't think you wanted more hildebrand" who is saying this stuff?

[Dovaah]

I think it's the other way around. The story is ok but it is brought down by Wuk Lamat, specifically the insane amount of focus and screentime, and the excessive fixation on "peace and understanding".

I agree, other aspects of the expansion are good, like dungeons, fights, zones, and music.

I don't think its only Wuk Lamat that brings the story down. But in retrospect, a lot of characters are shallow, their motivations either don't make sense or are just used to advance the plot.
They could have been way better if the writers actually fleshed them out a little.

Zoraal Ja, Koana, the Scions, Bakool Ja Ja so on and so forth.

Bakool Ja Ja for example lacks crucial development, his actions are barely acknowledged after the cenote revelations and it was a total 180 from how he was acting beforehand.

A single line of him mentioning that he wants to please his parents and then nothing till he gets beaten is not enough.

So yes, Wuk Lamat's screentime is a problem but not only. There are a lot of plot holes and discarded elements that would be crucial for this story to be good.

[Luluya]

If you fail to shed a sufficient amount of tears at critical TPS checks (Tears Per Second) in Heavensward and Shadowbringers MSQ, then you are an unskilled casual

[Ruris]

The range of the aim of this post is going for savage raiders and msq enjoyers alike. It doesn't make sense. Did you mean 'casually toxic' instead OP? There are extremely well written posts on this forum criticising Dawntrail which actually lead into 'Wuk Lamat bad' so again, that doesn't make sense.

Also does casually toxic include people who are defending Dawntrail using arguments such as: "it is the beginning, it's OK for it to be bad"; "the devs worked hard on this, stop complaining" and the likes of: "ARR and Stormblood existed so that cancels out Dawntrail beinfg bad" because none of these are structured arguments in defence of the expansion. They are a cry and self deflection, finger waving, self victimising statements that showcase the persons lack of ability to prop up a proper argument back. So instead they opt to treat the critics as bad people treating a game unfairly and creating a bad atmosphere for the playerbase. Does this not also count as toxic?

[ShariusTC]

just because they doesn't like what you like, mean they are "toxic casual player", great job dude, really great job

btw, story is bad not because of wut, but she play big role in it

[Isala]

Wuk Lamat Bad lol

This, but unironically.