Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Magikazam]

This also bring to mind one of the things that really fucked me up cus it conflicts so much with lot of shit that we fought Emet for.

Cahcuia's "Dont feel bad about shutting them down they are not alive" vs Emet's "I do not consider you to be truly alive. Ergo, I will not be guilty of murder if I kill you." Really took the cake for my disbelief in this expac.

If the scions in DT is written by Ishikawa THIS would be a big issue and a BIG ASS RED FLAG. The Scions would be aghast with this, Cahciua is saying they are not alive but we see it to be contradictory, There is a truth to Sphene's words that just because they're machines/programs doesnt mean they arent sentient. Even Cahciua proves this by having the sentience enough to HATE the fact that shes alive because of souls of other people. HECK EVEN THE FINAL BATTLE PROVES THIS BECAUSE WHEN WL ENTERED THE STAGE SPHENE HAS SENTIENCE AND EMOTIONS ENOUGH TO REACT AND PARTIALLY RESTORE HERSELF IN REACTION TO WL. And has everyone forgotten the Omicrons and Omega? Hello?? I would love for the game to explore the moral dilemma of this problem because it could've been so gut wrenching and excrutiatingly painful for us to shut them down if we explored this more instead of the token shoved down our throats gimmick to harvest tears from players.

IMO the issue is not even there. These people aren't people, they are basicly Memory AI. So it not like we would be killing them. HOWEVER, with Omicron lore and just, Ultimat Thule, FFXIV already esthablised that Ai and memory fragment are considered alive and concious being in canon.

So we're in a spot where AI are sentient, but only when it convinient.


Also yea compared to the Ancient, they hardly make it seem like killing the Eternal is a ethic problem, we just do it and don't even try to find peacefull solution, wich you know, even Emet tried with us even to he don't even consider us alive.

[Espon]

IMO the issue is not even there. These people aren't people, they are basicly Memory AI. So it not like we would be killing them. HOWEVER, with Omicron lore and just, Ultimat Thule, FFXIV already esthablised that Ai and memory fragment are considered alive and concious being in canon.

So we're in a spot where AI are sentient, but only when it convinient.

I think the citizens of Ultima Thule are a bit different as they are creations of dynamis and don't require living aether to exist. They're also not threatening to make all life in the universe extinct.

Also yea compared to the Ancient, they hardly make it seem like killing the Eternal is a ethic problem, we just do it and don't even try to find peacefull solution, wich you know, even Emet tried with us even to he don't even consider us alive.

Except we did. We tried several times, and Sphene was having none of it because her primary objective is to keep the Endless going no matter the cost.

[Magikazam]

I think the citizens of Ultima Thule are a bit different as they are creations of dynamis and don't require living aether to exist. They're also not threatening to make all life in the universe extinct.




Except we did. We tried several times, and Sphene was having none of it because her primary objective is to keep the Endless going no matter the cost.

I guess I used the bad term, rather then peacefull, It would be better to say an ''alternate'' solution to just, consuming all life. As in you know, it an universe where we can travel to the edge of universe in a spaceship and travel people souls into other shards. There most likely an alternate way to keep them alive. (Even to, like you said, Sphene kinda make it hard with how much she reject peaceful option and create a scenario where time is an issue)

As for the citizens of ultimat Thule, I guess dynamis could affect it. But Omnicron are not shades like the other and are just, living AI. Also don't everyone consume living aether? Pretty sure post endwalker MSQ said that food contain it and that you can, in fact, just absorb the Aether out of your food instead of just eating it normally.