You pull you tank question.

[BokoToloko]

1) Who can't live through tankbusters and would die? Healers and DPS. Who can't 8 role EVEN WITH THE GEAR UPGRADES? Healers and DPS. You will wait years beyond what we will to run the same content we're able to. Your job contribution toward a clear is flat out less. I can replace your healing and dps faster than you can replace my defensive stats and health. You're the equivalent of a Tenacity materia vs. a Crit materia. Can you meet a dps check eventually? Sure. But you won't make it as fast as Crit. And people have no problem saying Crit materia are better and more important, more high demand than Tenacity materia. Tanks are Crit, Healers are Det/DH, DPS are Tenacity. Blame the devs that you suck stat for stat compared to me, that you're a secondary factor toward meeting a given content's requirements in a speedy process. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

2) I get tired of ppl doing this stupid strawman. YPYT doesn't have to turn off tank stance to make sure you die.

Looks like your god complex is finally seeping through your mask. Still, Clemency PLD. Can't take someone like that seriously.

What you're getting tired of is people not being stupid enough to agree with your nonsensical tirades.

Stopping AoE to make the healer be more pressured to heal through your childish YPYT tantrum is just as bad as turning tank stance off and not at all subtle when the DPS with aggro and the mobs are right by you and you still don't pick up the aggro. Tanks are not so scarce as to make it not worth giving a YPYT tank the boot and look for another. Matter of fact, the next tank will enjoy a shorter instance at your expense. Inb4 "DPS who pull ahead of tank can also be dismissed you know", you're in for a bitter surprise if you think you'll have the crowd's support when dismisses start to be doled out.

[Dimi824]

You playing every role is a stronger agument for you being aware that certain jobs and roles get blacklisted regularly inside of PF because of lower contribution. That doesn't help you out of speaking out of your neck. Especially when everything you're saying is an assumption, and you haven't listed something we could objectively argue over yet.

As for YPYT, I don't like people griefing sprout tanks. That's why I let DPS's suicide and don't save them because maybe if they die enough times, they stop doing it and I don't have to worry about some sprout tank that's still learning having some random elitist speedrunning for 2min of a time save and causing them to die and told they don't meet community expectations and they decide to quit. I don't play that stupid shit. That's why I hate NA etiquette and prefer to run content on JP. Because you get emotional, sensitive, and entitled as hell to the point you forget objective facts.

Literally everything you say is objectionable and multiple people have already responded to you about it. No need for me to go over those points again. At this point it's just funny to see you bring up irrelevant things like doing 5 year old content unsync'd which is pointless and not even close to being a good expression of player skill. You're also the first person to have this weird obsession over the importance of role. Who gives a flying fuck if tanks can solo content years after it's release?

[VoidsentStatus]

Looks like your god complex is finally seeping through your mask. Still, Clemency PLD. Can't take someone like that seriously.

What you're getting tired of is people not being stupid enough to agree with your nonsensical tirades.

Stopping AoE to make the healer be more pressured to heal through your childish YPYT tantrum is just as bad as turning tank stance off and not at all subtle when the DPS with aggro and the mobs are right by you and you still don't pick up the aggro. Tanks are not so scarce as to make it not worth giving a YPYT tank the boot and look for another. Matter of fact, the next tank will enjoy a shorter instance at your expense. Inb4 "DPS who pull ahead of tank can also be dismissed you know", you're in for a bitter surprise if you think you'll have the crowd's support when dismisses start to be doled out.

"Clemency PLD - can't take someone like that seriously".

Have you never played as PLD before the clemency/requi change? You've never seen a PLD replace a healer and 3 man a dungeon easier than WAR? You've never seen a PLD solo Nidhogg Extreme and heal through the entire of Akh Morns? Never seen a raid where a healer had no mana to heal someone up after a rez and the PLD chunked them for half their health to help with recovery?

That aside,

"make the healer more pressure to heal through your childish YPYT" You realize you're talking to a PLD/WAR in a 3-6 add situation. What pressure are you talking about? I can heal that myself and stay above half without the healer lol

[VoidsentStatus]

Literally everything you say is objectionable and multiple people have already responded to you about it. No need for me to go over those points again. At this point it's just funny to see you bring up irrelevant things like doing 5 year old content unsync'd which is pointless and not even close to being a good expression of player skill. You're also the first person to have this weird obsession over the importance of role. Who gives a flying fuck if tanks can solo content years after it's release?

And that's why you don't stick your nose into arguments halfway in without reading context to understand every argument and example that's been discussed previously. Because you ask stupid questions that you should've known the answer to before you spoke.

[Dimi824]

And that's why you don't stick your nose into arguments halfway in without reading context to understand every argument and example that's been discussed previously. Because you ask stupid questions that you should've known the answer to before you spoke.

Yeah it was rhetorical genius.

[VoidsentStatus]

Yeah it was rhetorical genius.

No, it was you trying to say something smart, and made you look ignorant because what you listed was the entire point of the argument you even stepped into. You essentially did the equivalent of walking into two people arguing about optimizing damage inside of a raid, and you came in to say "WeLl WhO cAreS aBoUt UpTimE ANywaY? ThaT DoESnT DetERmiNe iF yOu FiNIsH a RaId." Like bro, go mind your business if you're just gonna contribute random comments noone in the conversation cares about. Whole different wavelength than both people who were talking originally.

[Dimi824]

No, it was you trying to say something smart, and made you look ignorant because what you listed was the entire point of the argument you even stepped into. You essentially did the equivalent of walking into two people arguing about optimizing damage inside of a raid, and you came in to say "WeLl WhO cAreS aBoUt UpTimE ANywaY? ThaT DoESnT DetERmiNe iF yOu FiNIsH a RaId." Like bro, go mind your business if you're just gonna contribute random comments noone in the conversation cares about. Whole different wavelength than both people who were talking originally.

You're posting horrible takes in a public forum and not expecting negative feedback? There's one of those rhetorical questions again.

[BokoToloko]

"Clemency PLD - can't take someone like that seriously".

Have you never played as PLD before the clemency/requi change? You've never seen a PLD replace a healer and 3 man a dungeon easier than WAR? You've never seen a PLD solo Nidhogg Extreme and heal through the entire of Akh Morns? Never seen a raid where a healer had no mana to heal someone up after a rez and the PLD chunked them for half their health to help with recovery?

That aside,

"make the healer more pressure to heal through your childish YPYT" You realize you're talking to a PLD/WAR in a 3-6 add situation. What pressure are you talking about? I can heal that myself and stay above half without the healer lol

I've leveled PLD to 90 and done plenty of roulettes, including Mentor roulettes. And, unlike you, I know better than to cast Clemency. Because I actually bothered to check Tanking 101 and Paladin 101, unlike you.

WAR don't lose DPS and their healing GCD is pretty much an invulnerability on short CDs where as PLD still take a notable DPS loss by casting Clemency when they have a whole array of other defensive options that come at no DPS loss and help them sustain themselves.
I've been soloing Nidhogg EX unsynch since EW and with DPS classes, with absolutely not a problem. The fact you're trying to talk about Nidhogg EX, from the first expansion of 5, solo as some kind of achievement would be cute if you weren't such a buffoon.
I've never seen a raid where the healers become completely unable to cast heals or oGCDs even after rezzes. And by the time a PLD needs to Clemency to salvage the run, there are way more pressing issues to address Not to mention this scenario doesn't play in most current EX and beyond Savage anyways. You know, actual content. Not content from several expansions ago.

Have you ever done a current EX or Savage on PUG? Clearly not. Being a Clemency user would get you quickly out of PFs, after all.

And while you may easily shrug 3 mobs, the DPS will have to be healed by your healer for the other 3 you refuse to take in order to fulfill your power trip. And if they're forced to use GCDs to keep them alive, they're not casting their AoE dps button, which comes again to the detriment of everyone, including you. All because of your need to feel important that you need to put the filthy DPS in their places. All because of YOUR choice.

[ObscuraFi]

You're posting horrible takes in a public forum and not expecting negative feedback? There's one of those rhetorical questions again.

It's nearly 8pm, don't you have a boss to trick attack? And you came into the thread with a derail, saying nothing but insults that didn't relate to tanking, and you didn't expect negative feedback? There's one of those rhetorical questions.

[Chiru_Kai]

Yes. Because apparently you missed the memo that people don't read in this game.

That assumption aside, you're a pot calling the kettle black.

People are more skilled than you give them credit for.

And yes, I also dislike DPS who don't AOE attack. Assuming the dungeon allows the dps to aoe anyways. And healers who make the tank stressed by letting them get to 20% HP are not okay either. As healer you get like 3x as much healing as you need on oGCDs in normal content so there is no reason for that, just heal.

But, as for "pot calling the kettle black", it's just wrong. See, majority rule applies here. I assume most people in duty finder are part of the majority. Everyone does. They can do double pulls and vast, VAST majority of my DF experience is double pulls.
If they are in the minority of being unskilled, unwilling, new, slow, etc. Then they should say so and people will adjust or teach you how to W2W pull.
It is absolutely disgusting and mean of you to assume that other players are trash at the game and can not keep up with you double pulling, if that's what you're getting at. Don't blame others for your own shortcomings.


I assure you, it is okay to want the comfort. But hold yourself accountable for it.
It is not okay to demand that the majority of players adjust for this just by default. Hold yourself accountable for your shortcomings, *request* and *communicate* that you need special attention outside of the expected norm, instead of expecting it silently, and we have absolutely 0 problems.

YPYT is not communicating, it is stand-offish, and it is a demand, not a request. This puts you straight into the camp of entitlement.

Expecting W2W pulls silently is just the norm right now. You can whine and complain about it, but it is what it is. It's not entitlement nor a demand. What WOULD be entitlement is if you were to announce you were uncomfortable W2W pulling but it was forced on you anyway. THAT is when it crosses a line and when I would say "yeah the tank not grabbing aggro off of you is your own fault". But I'm also sure that if you are nice about it and say you don't want to W2W pull in party chat, people will be okay with it in the vast majority of cases.
Is it a hassle for you? Sure. But it's either that, or you learn to W2W pull. The other option of "I want the whole community to change its mindset just for my style of playing and they silently follow my style of tanking" is, in fact, entitlement.

Aside from that, I've pulled stuff as a healer onto a tank. I'm the one healing the tank, and if I say you can tank it because I heal you, you should tank it. Not grabbing aggro off of me is just a lack of trust in my healing abilities, and it is mean and toxic.