Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
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I never said that beginnings can't be good. I'm saying that SHB had more going for it than DT did. You're arguing this point as if DT can't be possibly good, as if what you decided is already a fact of life, then use a single player game that has been in development since 2015 as "evidence" as if MMOs have no narrative constraints at all.

Then you take SHB, an expansion where almost every single point of it has been built up in a previous expansion, and claim that it's self contained and would be excellent even without all the baggage, as if all the previous knowledge that we built up over how FFXIV's world works doesn't matter to put everything that happens in context. I don't even know what to say, do you seriously think the wall of piss or Elidibus' entire existence would have any impact without all the previous knowledge that we gained from the other expansions?

Arguing the way you do I can easily claim that literally everything in existence is, by objective fact, garbage.