How FFXIV state change from ShB to DT?

[ForteNightshade]

They knew people will buy it even if its bad because it is coming off the highs of Endwalker

I am certainly not preordering the next one if its the same DT bullshit again

To be fair, this really only hurts you if you still want to continue playing. Unlike other game where the pre-order is the more expensive "upgrade", all FFXIV does is give you five days early access and earrings to help level jobs below the new expansion's starting level. So you'd just be losing that without hurting SE in any way. Now if you were planning to quit altogether, that's a different story.

[Andevom]

Look, I get it, dumping on Dawntrail's story is a popular thing to do right now and an easy way to fish for replies. You don't need to keep churning out new threads ad nauseum.

[Fibby]

[...] You don't need to keep churning out new threads ad nauseum.

But that's the easiest way for SQE to notice that the playerbase isn't happy.

[Striker44]

But that's the easiest way for SQE to notice that the playerbase isn't happy.

Except we don't speak for "the playerbase" which had over 1 million players even before DT launched. As long as we acknowledge that we only speak for our own individual selves, and that the forum only represents a tiny grain of sand on the beach that is the playerbase, we're probably good. It's when people start believing the few of us here actually matter for major decision-making that we end up just frustrating ourselves. (Fifty people on the forum agreed with me - why didn't they change this? Oh, right, because SE has data showing that tens of thousands of people disagreed through their in-game choices.)

[Voidmage]

Except we don't speak for "the playerbase" which had over 1 million players even before DT launched. As long as we acknowledge that we only speak for our own individual selves, and that the forum only represents a tiny grain of sand on the beach that is the playerbase, we're probably good. It's when people start believing the few of us here actually matter for major decision-making that we end up just frustrating ourselves. (Fifty people on the forum agreed with me - why didn't they change this? Oh, right, because SE has data showing that tens of thousands of people disagreed through their in-game choices.)

True, this here is not the majority but:

This is the official place for feedback and normaly the devs look at the forum first or at least should be. Also it's not just the english forum.

I don't get your last point though. They don't have data ingame on how people liked the story. only data on how many people engage in other stuff.
The enjoymend of the story is purely subjective and you have to to it anyway.
Or was that just an overall example?

[Striker44]

True, this here is not the majority but:

This is the official place for feedback and normaly the devs look at the forum first or at least should be. Also it's not just the english forum.

I don't get your last point though. They don't have data ingame on how people liked the story. only data on how many people engage in other stuff.
The enjoymend of the story is purely subjective and you have to to it anyway.
Or was that just an overall example?

Yeah, it was just an overall example of sorts, more the idea that the dev team has far more information available to them than any of us come close to knowing about. At the end of the day, they're a corporation out to make a profit, so I'd wager if they're making certain decisions it's because the full data they have at their fingertips says it's the way to go. Combine that with human nature making people more likely to "speak up" when they have a complaint vs. when they're satisfied with something, and it's very easy to do something like look at the online forum and get a skewed view of what the actual playerbase at large really thinks.

This last part will be pure speculation, but as an educated guess I would say there could well be ways for them to estimate "liking" the story. For example, comparing characters' playtime to achievements earned based on MSQ progress could quickly identify what portion of players are skipping cutscenes (a potential indicator of dissatisfaction). Again, just speculation, but put out there as a caution against viewing what one sees on the forum as necessarily indicative of the wider playerbase.

[Tunda]

Look, I get it, dumping on Dawntrail's story is a popular thing to do right now and an easy way to fish for replies. You don't need to keep churning out new threads ad nauseum.

I think it is not your business go about yourself and stop saying dumb thinga

[BigCheez]

Look, I get it, dumping on Dawntrail's story is a popular thing to do right now and an easy way to fish for replies. You don't need to keep churning out new threads ad nauseum.

If everyone took this stance, you would still be playing 1.0. Or more likely, no one would be playing the game any more.

[DaveFishnomer]

Look, I get it, dumping on Dawntrail's story is a popular thing to do right now and an easy way to fish for replies. You don't need to keep churning out new threads ad nauseum.

If you hate the game so much you should stop playing it, and if you dont hate it, then why are you so adamant about it not improving?

[KvotheCadera]

Its really awful. Its not just the story thats bad though. Its the gameplay as well *questing wise*
its like were on a whole new adventure in a new realm, but instead of actual exploration, were baby sitting a potato with less than 10 iq points and just running errands for the first 10 hours

I unsubbed around lvl 97 msq. I play healer too and im still just spamming the same old button over and over and over again. Like. At least give us ONE good aspect. Instead its all shit. Story, Gameplay, Job design.